#0304* - MUMSNET - Nigel FARAGE of The EFD & UKIP MEP MEETS REALITY!
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. MUMSNET an internet chat Forum - Nigel FARAGE of The EFD asked for the opportunity to publicise himself & UKIP's MEP MEETS REALITY!!!!!
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Hi,
Nigel Farage asked to have an hour on MumsNet - which they obligingly conceded to.
It does look as if Nigel Farage was a little shocked at how the REAL public responded to him - despite there being some very obvious UKIP supporters seeded into the questioning as with one from Switzerland and if that Poster is a Mum can we be told when he will feature in the Guinness Book of Records!
I will try to find time to return to this post and fisk my way through the some 689 questions and answers and respond to those that were unanswered and also correct some of the outrageous points made!
My replies when I do them will be >> and then highlighted << to make them clearly interjections!
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Live webchat with UKIP leader Nigel Farage, Thurs 24 Feb, 1-2pm
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KatieMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 22-Feb-11 12:40:59
Our live webchat guest this week is Nigel Farage. He is the leader of UKIP and has been a Member of the European Parliament (MEP) since 1999.
Known for his straight-talking, Nigel has made the headlines with forthright speeches, once telling the EU President he had the charisma of a 'damp rag'.
He is a regular on programmes including BBC Question Time.
If you have a question you'd like to put to Nigel, please join the webchat this Thursday lunchtime, 1pm - 2pm. If you won't be around then, please post your question here.
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Eleison Tue 22-Feb-11 13:50:15
I don't really want to talk to somone who is prepared to play to Islamophobia in order to play up to the racism of the BNP voters he wants to win over.
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scottishmummy Tue 22-Feb-11 13:58:30
forthright is that euphemism for offensive,odious? certainly i will participate,not hard to refute his odious views.am suprised you invited him though
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SheikYerbouti Tue 22-Feb-11 14:00:11
I can see he will be a popular choice hmm
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DirtyMartini Tue 22-Feb-11 14:18:08
shock
hmm
Oh well, I suppose it's in the interests of giving all parties a fair hearing. But ew.
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Eleison Tue 22-Feb-11 14:20:06
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JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 22-Feb-11 14:23:40
scottishmummy
forthright is that euphemism for offensive,odious? certainly i will participate,not hard to refute his odious views.am suprised you invited him though
He asked to come on, and we thought it right to give him a hearing, though obviously no one is obliged to participate. Normal webchat rules apply smile.
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FioFio Tue 22-Feb-11 14:26:08
Nigel, have you ever thought about borrowing Kilroy's sunbed?
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scottishmummy Tue 22-Feb-11 14:27:46
do hope it is lively riposte with mn posters,many clever posters adept at challenging his opinions
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SheikYerbouti Tue 22-Feb-11 14:34:39
Snort at Fio grin
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midnightexpress Tue 22-Feb-11 14:35:39
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JayS22 Tue 22-Feb-11 14:49:49
Offensive? Odious? Islamaphobic? All because he wants to leave the EU?
I'd rather like to live in a free democracy with a functional autonomous parliament.
Why not listen to what he says rather than what the Guardian or BBC has told you to believe?
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DollyTwat Tue 22-Feb-11 14:56:18
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MmeLindt Tue 22-Feb-11 15:01:42
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anglosaxon Tue 22-Feb-11 15:09:28
As far as I can see Mr Farage only wants what my grandparents wanted in 1940, thats to be free from being ruled by an undemocratic, oppressive, unaccountable political power sitting somewhere in the middle of Europe. I just want my children to know what it really is like to live in a totally free, sovereign country with politicians we can get rid of.
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scottishmummy Tue 22-Feb-11 15:14:24
Nigel,you regularly misrepresent statistics eg you said europe now makes 75% uk laws.this is untrue.do you use such tactics to incite indignation and create misplaced ire?
i am working thursday but will follow thread
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ShirleyKnot Tue 22-Feb-11 15:16:51
^ what's with the blank posts?
Anyway. Good luck with this webchat and that. I might actually blow a gasket if I try to join in.
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StewieGriffinsMom Tue 22-Feb-11 15:26:46
I believe a number of Mumsnetters are expressing their opinions on Farage and UKIP via silent protest.
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MmeLindt Tue 22-Feb-11 15:27:06
Shirley
The idea was not to engage, to show our distaste of Farage's policies. Like turning your back on him. Not sure if it will work though, since we seem to have some new posters.
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PrincessStarla Tue 22-Feb-11 15:27:32
Why do people think UKIP is a racist party? Not trying to cause any arguments, just genuinely interested.
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ShirleyKnot Tue 22-Feb-11 15:33:14
ah. (but how, HOW do you make a blank post? tis very clever)
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HannahHack Tue 22-Feb-11 15:34:04
Do you agree with EU regulations on medicines and patient safety?
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SheikYerbouti Tue 22-Feb-11 16:07:54
I am hmm at the post that compares the EU to the Nazi party
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DuplicitousBitch Tue 22-Feb-11 16:09:34
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scaryteacher Tue 22-Feb-11 16:21:05
I would like to know how it would work practically coming out of the EU. Will it attempt to fine us; hold on to us at all?
Could we just follow the lead of many other nations, including Belgium, in that most just ignore EU legislation when it comes out and carry on as they were anyway?
What are your views on the EAS? Do you think that Baroness Ashton should be kicked into touch and who should replace her?
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Tue 22-Feb-11 16:35:59
I didn't get my view that his party's policies are odious, offensive and Islamophobic from the Guardian and the BBC Jay. I got them from the election materials UKIP put through my door last May.
If he wants to be on here - and check out his website - the Mumsnet logo takes up half the front page - I agree that he should be allowed his voice. He won't be doing himself any favours imo.
I won't be putting any questions. I don't give a hoot about his policies and I think any pro-smoking, 'climate change' skeptic isn't worth wasting my energy on.
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imright Tue 22-Feb-11 16:36:09
Farage is't offensive UKIP just wants to leave the EU and stop paying them 50 million a day!
Scottishmummy please illustrate how are laws 75% are NOT made up by the EU?
My question is this how are you going to get a referendum ON OUR MEMBERSHIP of the EU. How will you force the political elite to do this? They have ignored most requests so far!
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imright Tue 22-Feb-11 16:40:08
Tondelayoschwarzkopf.
I'm afraid you are being very economic with the truth aren't you. I had leaflets they spoke about MASS IMMIGRATION. You are scaremongering because yuo don't believe he should have a voice. 900.000 voted for UKIP at the last election they deserve a voice.
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foxytocin Tue 22-Feb-11 16:40:28
won't be around to give this hot air balloon the attention he seeks.
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Tue 22-Feb-11 16:48:41
Sorry imright - did you not read the part of my post that said "he should be allowed his voice" or did you not understand that?
The leaflet that Dominic Lennon (UKIP candidate for Islington North) put through my door at the end of April last year talked about the Islamification of the UK. That is scaremongering.
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imright Tue 22-Feb-11 16:51:47
Justinemumsnet. It is about tinme you invited Nigel Farage on you totally ignored UKIP at the last election, although they got 900.000 votes.
YOU should have asked him to come on, not he asking you.IMHO it shows how biased MN is. Surely you are NOT meant to be biased, it's certainly how you come across!
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imright Tue 22-Feb-11 16:55:28
Many are worried about the Islamification of here and Europe it's not new. Any country that ignores it is stupid IMO. Islamic schools all over this country, are teaching children to hate the west/infidels/jews and that's scaremongering?
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JayS22 Tue 22-Feb-11 14:49:49
Offensive? Odious? Islamaphobic? All because he wants to leave the EU?
I'd rather like to live in a free democracy with a functional autonomous parliament.
Why not listen to what he says rather than what the Guardian or BBC has told you to believe?
err I listened to him when he doorstepped our area to try and win votes before the GE. My information is NOT from the media but directly from 'the horses mouth' and it is a load of spout about immigrants and how 'we' NEED to get rid of them.
My question is How does it feel to have JC as speaker of the house, and I do not mean Jesus Christ!?
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elkiedee Tue 22-Feb-11 17:01:58
So the first UKIP supporter's here already?
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elkiedee Tue 22-Feb-11 17:06:35
My question(s): What do you think about the movement for democracy in so many countries in North Africa and the Middle East? Do you not think these people, of various faiths, are bravely setting an example of standing up for their rights? What attitude should the British government take towards them?
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scottishmummy Tue 22-Feb-11 18:03:36
imright,you misunderstand the premise.onus upon farage to answer questions posted
seeing he asked to be invited on to mn. so no, i dont have to answer questions i set.and i do hope farage is asked a range of questions
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imright Tue 22-Feb-11 18:21:57
scottishmummy. I hoped farage is asked many questions particularly on the EU.
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ScramVonChubby Tue 22-Feb-11 18:25:57
'Many are worried about the Islamification of here and Europe it's not new. Any country that ignores it is stupid IMO. Islamic schools all over this country, are teaching children to hate the west/infidels/jews and that's scaremongering?
Jewish and Christian people are classed under Islamic faith as 'people of the book' and supposed to be treated humanely. If you know of a school teaching otherwise, I suspect MI5 has an entire department set up to help you.
Islamic? Christian. With a world faith degree, and friends who are Islamic. And proud of my stance.
Otherwise, will join in with the nothing to say to Mr Farage bunch.
As you all were.
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FannyFifer Tue 22-Feb-11 18:27:39
UKIP, seriously!
Any member or candidates of UKIP in my area are all seriously unhinged, sure why not get the BNP on as well.
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complimentary Tue 22-Feb-11 18:31:50
fannyfifer. 900.000 people unhinged who voted for them? how biased and patronising! Frankly stupid.
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JaxTellersOldLady Tue 22-Feb-11 18:36:50
this is going well.
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AitchTwoOh Tue 22-Feb-11 18:41:13
daftpunk
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TheArmadillo Tue 22-Feb-11 18:53:46
complimentary - the uk electorate is over 45 million see here
900,000 is fuck all and easily that number of people could be unhinged.
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Tue 22-Feb-11 18:58:44
It's 3.1% of the votes. Fact fans. I think 3.1% is a gross under-estimation of the number of unhinged around us.
Look at this way, 97% people didn't vote for them.
Isn't being the UK's fourth biggest party, a bit like being the world's third biggest cola brand?
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SheikYerbouti Tue 22-Feb-11 19:06:34
This is going almost as well as that goat woman's webchat, you know, the one married to that horrid little man Zac "shagger" Goldsmith
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PStaveley Tue 22-Feb-11 19:27:49
Currently all our laws are enacted in Westminster. However, 75% of our laws originate from regulations and directives issued by the EU. The majority of them are enacted as Statutory Instruments. That is a Minister stands up and says that the following regulation will be enacted: no discussion, no voting.
The others are enacted through an Act of Parliament. Yes, there is discussion and yes, there is a vote. However, if the MPs vote no to that Bill then the Government has to try again with a different Bill in order to get that Bill through Westminster. So it is a bit like the Irish Referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, you keep having a referendum until you get the 'right' answer.
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UnquietDad Tue 22-Feb-11 19:31:46
It's daft to say he shouldn't be on here. He should be subjected to the scrutiny of public questioning like any other politician, and it's quite right that he has chosen to do so, regardless of your opinion of his views.
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PStaveley Tue 22-Feb-11 19:35:00
TondelayoSchwarzkopf The problem at the last General Election is that many voters wanted to vote UKIP but also wanted to get rid of Labour. Therefore, they voted Conservative.
All small parties lose under the First Past The Past System due to this tactical voting. Of course all small parties will do just as bad under the AV system of preferential voting. It is time that we had proportional or an AV+ voting system.
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Mormonkris Tue 22-Feb-11 20:06:43
UKIP has a range of common sense policies, including getting rid of the hated Human Rights Act and the Climate Change Act. This will just be the beginning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Qhm6YRdJE
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Mormonkris Tue 22-Feb-11 20:09:12
Nigel Farage has a significant following in the US Tea Party movement, unlike our lame PM twins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McqqFb7eQ2Y
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AitchTwoOh Tue 22-Feb-11 20:11:25
unclear as to whether last poster is being satirical.
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AitchTwoOh Tue 22-Feb-11 20:14:13
it's a bit of a cringe for Farage that he's obviously put the word out for his cronies to join MN and appear here.
this thread looked silly enough, but this is now the fifth or so completely new poster with an in-depth knowledge of UKIP policy... Nige, you need to learn how to play it cool.
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SheikYerbouti Tue 22-Feb-11 20:15:13
Nigel, is that you?
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midnightexpress Tue 22-Feb-11 20:17:47
Is that what it's called then, the 'Hated Human Rights Bill'?
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whomovedmychocolate Tue 22-Feb-11 20:24:02
Oy Justine can I come on and hold a webchat on behalf of my bizarre cult as well. It must surely be my turn next no? grin
Question for Nigel Farage: what kind of biscuits do you like - I'm assuming not dark chocolate ones. hmm
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FannyFifer Tue 22-Feb-11 20:27:33
complimentary if you read my post I said UKIP members and candidates, didn't mention those that vote for them.
I am involved in politics and have met the members and candidates in my area and yes they are unhinged.
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jonicomelately Tue 22-Feb-11 20:30:45
I would like to ask a very simple question.
Your main objection to the EU appears to be on the grounds that it is expensive. Whenever I see UKIP election literature it seems to focus mainly on how much the EU costs. Is this your primary objection to the EU?
Lots of things in life are expensive, my car and house for example, but I still find them pretty useful.
Isn't the price we pay worthwhile for a united and peaceful Europe?
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DamselInDisguise Tue 22-Feb-11 20:30:55
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MmeLindt Tue 22-Feb-11 20:32:35
It is fine that he is doing the webchat. I agree with UD. His political party is not one that I would vote for but he has the right to be
ripped to shreds by the MN vipers
heard.
MNHQ - can you see if you can get a hold of some of these biscuits for the webchat.
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Tue 22-Feb-11 20:33:37
Thanks Sheik - I've just lost an hour of my life to that Schez Goldsmith thread and she was a no-show! grin
imright / PStaveley / mormonkris / complimentary - you support independence and yet strangely speak as one. You go girlfriend
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Being human, I love the European Convention on Human Rights and it has nothing to do with the EU - Switzerland is a signatory.
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Tue 22-Feb-11 20:35:46
Also - do you realise how expensive our food would be without the CAP? Milk especially is heavily subsidised.
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PStaveley Tue 22-Feb-11 20:43:06
jonicomelately [I am not Nigel and no he did not ask me to come onto this discussion] However, I can give you some indications as to why I do not like the EU.
It is not just the cost of membership, but it is the cost to businesses. The Taxpayers Alliance calculated that the cost to businesses in the UK in additional regulation is around £1.2 billion per year. EU's answer to all problems is to introduce more regulations which, ultimately we all have to pay for through increased prices and taxes.
Also there is a lack of democracy. As mentioned earlier 75% of our laws emanate from the EU. Those laws are created by 27 unelected commissioners who are appointed and cannot be removed. The European Parliament can only amend and delay that legislation, they have no powers to stop it. So in that respect there is little democracy within the EU.
Did you know that we now have a president, who you did not elect, cannot be removed and earns more than the President of the USA?
Regarding keeping the peace, that is what we have NATO for. The EU has not done anything to keep the peace so far. However, they are on the verge of creating an EU army and an EU Police force, which is one of the reasons why our armed forces have been reduced to the point where, for example, we do not have an aircraft carrier.
What UKIP is after is keeping Government, taxation and particular state regulations down to a reasonable level and returning governance to the most local level that is practical.
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SheikYerbouti Tue 22-Feb-11 20:44:57
Schezzer's webchat was a CLASSIC
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Tue 22-Feb-11 20:47:18
So you're no relation to this guy then?
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SheikYerbouti Tue 22-Feb-11 20:49:53
Gosh, what a coincidence hmm
Has Nige been on the phone?
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jonicomelately Tue 22-Feb-11 20:52:44
GO AWAY PStaveley.
It is VERY bad form to give an answer to my question when you are not Nigel Farage.
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PStaveley Tue 22-Feb-11 20:54:44
TondelayoSchwarzkopf we may speak as one but I can assure you that I do not know who imright, mormonkris or complimentary are.
Regarding CAP, I am not so certain that it does reduce prices. What it definitely does do is require us to pay in taxation for: food subsidy both in the UK and in the rest of the EU plus the massive amount in bureaucracy. Would it not be better to pay subsidy (through taxation) to just British farmers and/or food which comes to Britain. At the moment that subsidy that we pay in taxation also goes on food sold in French, German, Italian, East European etc shops when we have a massive debt to pay off.
Talking of food, did you know that are fishing industry is dying because of the EU Fisheries policy. One of the reasons for the high fish prices is because 50% of all catches have to be thrown back into the sea, dead. That policy cannot be changed because it helps too many other countries in the EU.
In contrast Norway (which is not in the EU) has a thriving fishing industry.
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StewieGriffinsMom Tue 22-Feb-11 20:54:58
MNHQ Have you thought of preventing people who have joined MN to post specifically on this thread like you did with other political webchats in the run-up to the election?
This looks like its not going to be Nigel Farage answering questions from MNers but rather dominated by UKIP supporters which seems to defeat the purpose.
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jonicomelately Tue 22-Feb-11 20:55:43
Since you are here answering questions Peter Staveley, UKIP candidate, can you please tell me this.
I have had a look at your website. Are you really only 48?
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PStaveley Tue 22-Feb-11 20:58:02
jonicomelately I am sorry to upset you, but I wanted to give my opinion. I was not answering a question.
I cannot see anything in the rules preventing me from stating an opinion.
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SheikYerbouti Tue 22-Feb-11 20:58:17
SNORT at jonicomelately
Perhaps it's 48 + VAT
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SheikYerbouti Tue 22-Feb-11 21:01:20
and as for 900,000 votes, there were a small minority fo folk who voted in our consituency for an ind candidate who wore a bag over his head. Can we have him here too?
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whomovedmychocolate Tue 22-Feb-11 21:02:53
What happens if we fill the thread up to 1005 posts before he arrives?
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SheikYerbouti Tue 22-Feb-11 21:04:22
here's your man.
It would probably be quite a short webchat though, as he didn't speak. Ever.
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jonicomelately Tue 22-Feb-11 21:04:40
Peter Staveley is a typical politician. Won't answer a direct question wink
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StewieGriffinsMom Tue 22-Feb-11 21:05:46
There do seem to be a number of people voting in silent protest. smile
I, personally, have no real questions for Nigel Farage however, in the interests of
pretending
to be fair:
What is UKIP policy on Trident?
Every other politician who has come on MN has answered that question; although one clearly lied through his teeth.
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PStaveley Tue 22-Feb-11 21:09:07
Yes I am 48. Is there any reason why you wished to know that?
By the way StewieGriffinsMom you can be assured that I will not be logging on during Nigel's webchat, I have a business meeting to attend them.
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jonicomelately Tue 22-Feb-11 21:12:45
I asked the question because I was curious
in
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photograph
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Lots of us will be busy at the time of the webchat Peter. That's why we are posting now smile
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scottishmummy Tue 22-Feb-11 21:16:35
filling the post up prior to talk is provocative and petty
like it or not Farage is democratically elected,and whilst i dont share his pov,he should still have opportunity to be heard. mnhq are the only people who should be deciding whom should be on mn.
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MmeLindt Tue 22-Feb-11 21:19:01
This is ridiculous.
This thread should be locked to those who were registered before the webchat was announced.
Otherwise I fear that Nigel will answer the smarmy questions of his supporters and ignore those of the posters of MN.
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jonicomelately Tue 22-Feb-11 21:22:53
I can report that Peter Staveley is telling the truth about his age. It says here in the Daily Mail that he was 44 in 2007 smile
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Tue 22-Feb-11 21:26:33
Ah. I feel a bit sorry for him now Joni. Come and join us on the Property thread Peter. Still £600k eh? Really? Really?
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jeanvaljean Tue 22-Feb-11 21:28:10
Nigel: UKIPs policy on Climate Change is to "Establish a Royal Commission to determine the truth about man-made global warming". Can you explain why the overwhelming opinion of the global scientific community is not enough for UKIP? You surely realise that any "Royal Commission" would be the target for lobbyists and would only increase the disinformation already foisted on the public by big business?
UKIPs stance on climate change is rather depressing.
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jonicomelately Tue 22-Feb-11 21:29:21
I'll lay off him now. I'm sure Peter is a great guy. He just yanked my chain by answering questions I'd posed to Nigel smile
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longfingernails Tue 22-Feb-11 21:31:29
Hello Nigel,
You are a great advocate for Britain - keep it up!
I will continue voting Tory for the time being - the deficit is our most pressing priority - but empathise heavily with your views.
The areas where I am most disappointed with Cameron is over Europe.
My question is: do you think you have ever been successful in shifting the Overton window on Europe? As far as I can see, UKIP have no specific achievement they can point to other than good success in elections themselves - perhaps to be expected, given the farcical way the EU Parliament works - but still. The most you can hope for at the moment is to pressure other parties into hardening their views.
Do you feel Cameron's more hawkish stance towards the ECHR is partly due to UKIP's influence?
Well done again!
PS I hope you are all recovered after your plane incident!
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PStaveley Tue 22-Feb-11 21:36:46
As you would expect those reports are completely wrong. The amount was £6,000. The reporter in Court, where I was a witness, got confused. The trouble is that got syndicated and I felt that it was too much trouble to attempt to get it corrected, not that the press are good at correcting their incorrect stories.
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jonicomelately Tue 22-Feb-11 21:39:53
I am genuinely pleased that it was only £6,000 Peter smile
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scottishmummy Tue 22-Feb-11 21:41:08
mr staveley,refrain from turning this into ukip propaganda
let farage answer questions put to him without you (or others) butting in and pre-empting answers
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jonicomelately Tue 22-Feb-11 21:41:52
Damned misleading figures about money to make a story sound far worse than it is angry wink
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Tue 22-Feb-11 22:02:01
Glad to hear it Peter. I can't believe the Daily Mail made an error - property values are their bread and butter. grin
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Tue 22-Feb-11 22:15:51
OK - I have a question for Nigel.
Can you explain your parental leave policy in your manifesto? It is not clear to me.
"The impact on small businesses [of EU maternity pay legislation] is disproportionately damaging...many SMEs are understandably nervous about employing young women, or try not to promote them to key positions.
UKIP proposes to vastly simplify this legislation. It would be up to each employer to decide whether to offer parental leave and this would be one of the items included in the standard employment contract (see above). An SME which refuses to offer parental leave will either have to offer young women higher salaries than other businesses which offer a long leave period or they will simply have to recruit from a smaller pool of potential employees."
Here.
I interpret this as meaning that UKIP will exempt small and medium businesses (which according to you are responsible for 55% of employees in the UK) from statutory maternity leave and pay. Is this the correct interpretation?
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Eleison Tue 22-Feb-11 22:21:52
I didn't mean by my silent protest to say that MN shouldn't have invited the man. Only that I don't want to talk to (or see much point in talking to) someone who feels that some of the mothers here should be legally forbidden from wearing a chosen piece of clothing in public buildings. I can see that MN are in a position where it is hard to say no to him without seeming unfair (hope they would draw the line at the BNP though). I do think it would be good to freeze registrations to stop the inflow of UKIP politrolls
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TheSecondComing Tue 22-Feb-11 22:23:00
this is going well so far.
nigel, do you honestly think you'll ever attract anyone other than racists,xenophobes and haters and nutjobs...seriously. nobody 'normal' cares...
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scottishmummy Tue 22-Feb-11 22:30:36
Eleison my preference is challenge and engage.imo silent protest on mn lets odious views off hook
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Tue 22-Feb-11 22:30:44
I don't mean to normalise or attract attention for UKIP by asking them questions but as he is so keen to come onto Mumsnet I only think it is fair to challenge him on some key issues that affect mums. That's why I don't think this thread should just be for the nutjobs.
Though I do see both the silent protestors and your point TSC.
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Tue 22-Feb-11 22:31:21
x-posted with scottishmummy
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Eleison Tue 22-Feb-11 22:37:24
Yes, fair enough scottishmummy and Tondel. I'm a bit torn about it. I suppose my overwhelming feeling is UKIP beliefs are based on fear and mistrust and hate, rather than reason, so not much will be achieved by engaging -- and that to be in a conversation with them is to give them a dignity they don't deserve. But I can certainly see the reasons for engaging too -- and I wouldn't want to undermine others' conversations with UKIP since that would gives them the small prize of claiming to be silenced.
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scottishmummy Tue 22-Feb-11 22:44:45
imo better hear ukip thean feed conspiracy theory that liberals and leftie silenced them.as this perpetrates the notion ukip are treated unfairly
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Tue 22-Feb-11 22:45:37
I read a lot of skeptic bloggers who engage with say creationists, anti-abortionists, homophobes - not in the belief they can convert the opponent but for better informing the lurkers IYSWIM. If there are people reading this discussion who think some areas of UKIP are worth engaging with - I would want to highlight that they are not - and that they are no better than the BNP when it comes to the rights of women and non-whites.
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jonicomelately Tue 22-Feb-11 22:47:41
Absolutely, scottishmummy. Meet them head on.
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scottishmummy Tue 22-Feb-11 22:49:55
fundamentally one can and should engage freely with whomever.and no i dont like to feel limited in range or told what's the point
im not deluded enough to believe in any way i will change fararge pov, but fact is i have that prerogative,and i will use it
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GawainTowler Tue 22-Feb-11 23:19:28
Just as a comment to you all, and with a disclaimer that I work for UKIP. The reason why Farage asked to have the webchat is because you, the Mumsnet crowd are an important audience. Simple as that.
I can assure you that nobody has been asked to troll, people have been directed to the forum because it could be interesting. After all these fora have their reputation as being less than supine.
And if we in UKIP are serious, then we have to venture out of our own comfort zone. What do we expect from you? Well Farage doesn't expect soft soap, but common courtesy would be appreciated.
Other than that, hope you all enjoy the opportunity to ask him questions directly, or berate him with impunity.
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Tue 22-Feb-11 23:26:21
Gawain http://englandexpects.blogspot.com/2011/02/farage- enters-mumsnet-bearpit.html
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Tue 22-Feb-11 23:27:00
Sorry - link fail. blush
Hi Gawain
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GawainTowler Tue 22-Feb-11 23:28:26
Indeed, and hello
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GawainTowler Tue 22-Feb-11 23:30:04
Try this
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GawainTowler Tue 22-Feb-11 23:31:04
Oh rats
englandexpects.blogspot.com/2011/02/farage-enters- mumsnet-bearpit.html
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foxytocin Tue 22-Feb-11 23:49:58
Good God, correct the typos on the blog before you even link on here.
And don't steal banners from a CD cover!
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madamimadam Tue 22-Feb-11 23:59:30
Nigel, what's the difference between UKIP and the BNP?
(Seven years at public school, I was told...)
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scottishmummy Tue 22-Feb-11 23:59:59
lol england expects?no scots/welsh/irish then?just ukip and middle england
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foxytocin Wed 23-Feb-11 00:03:57
I was also wondering that, madamimadam.
The BNP tried to hijack the British Legion and its Poppy and now UKIP, if this is an officially sanctioned blog, is hijacking Nelson.
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madamimadam Wed 23-Feb-11 00:18:03
I just love their names, Foxy. I mean,'anglosaxon'. With no irony or sense of British history at all. If UKIP won't look out for the rights of the indigenous inhabitants of this sceptred isle, who will?
Will no one think of the Celts?
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scottishmummy Wed 23-Feb-11 00:22:22
quite content to be disassociated with ukip.but hell if i were english id be annoyed at the insidious branding association ukip and england
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snailfig Wed 23-Feb-11 00:29:41
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
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scottishmummy Wed 23-Feb-11 00:32:58
did you cut & paste that?let farage talk for himself
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CaptainNancy Wed 23-Feb-11 00:34:07
Sorry snailfig- your question to Nigel is what exactly?
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snailfig Wed 23-Feb-11 00:39:21
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
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HHLimbo Wed 23-Feb-11 00:47:37
AHAHA - yes bring on the clowns mumsnet!
Dear Nigel. You are an MEP? Isnt that like the blind member of the klukluxklan, whi didnt realise he was black?
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scottishmummy Wed 23-Feb-11 00:51:40
irrespective of all posturing,let farage answer q and assess those answers on their content.am guesing he asked to be on mn for a specific reason
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Wed 23-Feb-11 00:51:54
"This is tiring"
You said it babe.
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snailfig Wed 23-Feb-11 00:56:04
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
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snailfig Wed 23-Feb-11 00:57:46
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HHLimbo Wed 23-Feb-11 01:19:37
Message deleted by Mumsnet.
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Message withdrawn at poster's request.
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eice Wed 23-Feb-11 08:30:57
The commenter above who called him odious/racist just for wanting to leave the EU really needs to get an education.
The EU is undemocratic, costs us millions each year, has a president who is unelected and earns more than Obama and above all undermines us a country, giving us laws we do not want (votes for prisoners being just one example) and means we have no real control over our borders. The sooner we get out of the EU the better.
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StewieGriffinsMom Wed 23-Feb-11 09:35:45
Dear UKIP
You will find that all other webchats with politicians were not invaded by employees of that party. It is true that a number of citizens of the United Kingdom [and not just England] joined MN with a view to asking their questions directly. This is not the same as paying your employees to fill this thread with questions.
It is unnecessary and makes a farce of the webchat.
SGM.
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Mormonkris Wed 23-Feb-11 09:39:25
madamimadam,
There is nocomparison between UKIP and the BNP.
The BNP are largely disaffected Labour voters who live in working class areas. They sit firmly on the far right of the left-right socialists spectrum. They have a lot more in common with mainstream socialists than we do.
As a member of UKIP, I regard myself as a libertarian, pro-gun, pro-Tea Party patriot. And as a Mormon, I hold fairly conservative views about the family and women's rights. My mother shared her maiden name with a famous 19th century American feminist and anti-slavery campaigner - not to be confused with those dreadful modern feminazis.
UKIP are neither extreme left (international socialists) nor far right (national socialists). In fact, there is no where for us on the left-right political spectrum. We are a party of decent, ordinary people.
Hope this answers your question.
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jonicomelately Wed 23-Feb-11 09:41:56
UKIP are 'pro-gun' shock
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StewieGriffinsMom Wed 23-Feb-11 09:43:06
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jonicomelately Wed 23-Feb-11 09:45:35
I actually feel extremely sorry for NF.
Being leader of UKIP must be harder than herding cats.
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midnightexpress Wed 23-Feb-11 09:47:47
IME, 'decent, ordinary people' don't shoot each other or refer to each other as 'dreadful modern feminazis'.
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ilythia Wed 23-Feb-11 09:49:54
snailfig, don't waffle, there's a dear.
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QueenOfFlippingEverything Wed 23-Feb-11 09:55:57
Jeez.
Well this had the potential to be interesting until it was invaded by
arse lickers
UKIP members.
I agree with the suggestion that MNHQ should find a way to stop people registering especially to gatecrash webchats. UKIP members don't need to come here to talk to their own party leader hmm
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QueenOfFlippingEverything Wed 23-Feb-11 09:58:03
'dreadful modern feminazis'
You utter nincompoop.
I'm not sure MN is the right forum for you.
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MmeLindt Wed 23-Feb-11 10:07:31
MNHQ
Can you delete this thread and start a new one with only members allowed to post if they have been on MN for at least a month?
This is ridiculous. And it is doing Nigel Farage no favours either.
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StewieGriffinsMom Wed 23-Feb-11 10:09:46
I think locking this thread would be good and preventing anyone who hasn't been on MN for at least a month is an excellent idea but I think this thread should stand.
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QueenOfFlippingEverything Wed 23-Feb-11 10:13:34
Of course it must stand, though I think it should be locked and the new thread limited to genuine members.
Its the real face of UKIP innit - gatecrashing a parenting website to call the members 'feminazis'.
I'm sure Nigel Farage will be very proud smile
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CaptainNancy Wed 23-Feb-11 10:14:43
Please tell me mormonkris is actually Chris Morris?
That post cannot be for real! grin
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Rannaldini Wed 23-Feb-11 10:16:23
Hello Mr Farage
I'd like to ask how well your ‘Restoring Britishness: A cultural policy for an independent Britain’ policy document will be viewed in Northern Ireland?
Thank you
R
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LydiaDustin Wed 23-Feb-11 10:20:12
In light of some of the posts above I would like to ask Nigel how he can help dispel the theory some people have that UKIP & the BNP are the same when clearly they are not. I’m guessing there is no easy answer to this though.
I would also like to ask how he thinks voting for yes to AV will help UKIP because I can’t see how it will.
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FannyFifer Wed 23-Feb-11 10:22:54
This is just getting embarrassing now.
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Mormonkris Wed 23-Feb-11 10:45:37
jonicomelately,
No, I am pro-gun. UKIP is fairly neutral on the subject.
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Rannaldini Wed 23-Feb-11 10:52:41
can I ask what pro-gun means exactly?
I have never heard that term before
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midnightexpress Wed 23-Feb-11 10:57:46
Perhaps she's in favour of using guns to shoot the dreadful feminazis?
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complimentary Wed 23-Feb-11 11:00:05
UKIP has nothing to do with the BNP.Some here show a complete lack of understanding politics. The BNP has tried to ingratiate itself to UKIP for years ALWAYS being rebutted. There are many people of colour in UKIP.
The BNP are numbskulls, to my knowledge when found at any conference/meeting have been very firmly shown the door.
Nigel Farage is an honest politician. HE says what he thinks. UNLIKE Nick Clegg and who from my recollection many were swooning over on this site at election time only to be defecated upon when he joined up with lover boy David.
I have not just joined, been posting a long time.
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Mormonkris Wed 23-Feb-11 11:02:26
Don't get me wrong about feminism. I'm all for women exercising their right to be mothers and homemakers. My 22-year-old great-grandmother was absent from the 1911 census, which strongly suggests that she was a suffragette. She went on to become a wife, mother, grandmother etc who held her family together despite difficult circumstances.
The modern feminist movement has been taken over by angry socialists who hate men. They bare no resemblance to the feminists of old.
My church has some very good, family friendly policies.
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Perhaps you can ask Nigel what kind of common sense, family friendly policies UKIP has.
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Rannaldini Wed 23-Feb-11 11:05:50
please, some clarification on pro-gun
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ilythia Wed 23-Feb-11 11:06:28
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Mormonkris Wed 23-Feb-11 11:07:41
I agree with complimentary. Nigel Farage, Godfrey Bloom and Lord Monckton are three of our best leaders in UKIP. They aren't affraid to say what the rest of us are thinking.
With UKIP you pretty much get what you see. There is no double dealing and broken promises with us. Our leaders are well respected on the international stage. This is vitally important for a party that wants to form the next government.
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midnightexpress Wed 23-Feb-11 11:07:47
'I'm all for women exercising their right to be mothers and homemakers.'
Well, that's jolly decent of you mormonkris.
hmm
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MmeLindt Wed 23-Feb-11 11:07:51
"Don't get me wrong about feminism. I'm all for women exercising their right to be mothers and homemakers."
I think you are slightly misunderstanding the feminist movement there, Kris.
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Mormonkris Wed 23-Feb-11 11:09:23
Rannaldini,
What is there to clarify? I'm pro-gun and UKIP is neutral on the matter.
Personally, I would like to see our gun control laws repealed to pre-1903 levels. I'm fully supportive of Texas and Utah in their recent gun control legislation.
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MmeLindt Wed 23-Feb-11 11:09:27
"Our leaders are well respected on the international stage"
As someone who lives in Switzerland, with a German husband I can assure you than few here have ever heard of UKIP, much less your leaders.
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complimentary Wed 23-Feb-11 11:09:44
WHY Should this thread BE lOCKED? Threads were not LOCKED around election time. It was obvious there were activists on the site then spouting, Labour,Liberal,Tory,UKIP and some BNP views. Surely it's democracy to let people say what they wish in defence of a party?
Those who advocate shutting down a thread are against free speech. I did not insist on locking down a thread when Gordon Brown was speaking on here, I can't stand the Labour Party.
It's one thing that's always concerned me about MN, why some members want free speech for themselves, but not new members or those they disagree with.
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Rinseoffmycustard Wed 23-Feb-11 11:11:36
Hello
Why do you think that the EU is so much of a problem that it should affect how we vote in the next general election?
What would you do with defence and the treatment of our armed forces?
And how would you change things to re boost our economy to a point where it would no longer resemble a plate of bread and pubic hair?
Thanks and I hope your OK after the crash
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Mormonkris Wed 23-Feb-11 11:14:39
MmeLindt,
"As someone who lives in Switzerland, with a German husband I can assure you than few here have ever heard of UKIP, much less your leaders."
I'm really talking about the only international stage that matters: the United States of America.
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MmeLindt Wed 23-Feb-11 11:15:32
Complimentary
When we have had webchats before, there has never been an influx of posters who join specifically to support the politician being questioned.
There may have been political activist on MN around the time of the election, but this is unprecedented.
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complimentary Wed 23-Feb-11 11:15:56
Rinseoffmycustard. Thank god someones asking some sensible questions!
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Rannaldini Wed 23-Feb-11 11:20:51
I'm not trying to be deliberately obtuse
What would that look like for us?
A right to bear arms?
Pre Dunblane legislation?
I don't know the leg that you refer to. Could you run me through?
Interested in your thoughts
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MmeLindt Wed 23-Feb-11 11:23:19
Kris
Which countries has UK fought wars against in the last 200 years?
Why would America be more important to the UK than Europe, given the geographical and historical proximity?
There is a reason why we have had over 60 years of peaceful relations with Europe. Much as you might dislike it, the EU and UN are a part of this.
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StewieGriffinsMom Wed 23-Feb-11 11:23:31
Mormonkris- your understanding of the history of feminism and modern feminist politics is lacking. Women are more than wives and mothers.
You should check out MN Feminist Bookclub tonight at 9: The Feminine Mystique by Betty Friedan.
And, as a North American, most of us haven't heard of UKIP either.
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foxytocin Wed 23-Feb-11 11:24:52
Sorry I keep coming back for the comic value.
"I'm really talking about the only international stage that matters: the United States of America."
As in leave the EU to join up officially as the 51st State?
Seeing you are pro-gun, anti-Teaparty, and the above, why don't you move
back
to the US, possibly Texas or Utah, where your politics will have a wider audience.
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midnightexpress Wed 23-Feb-11 11:25:43
Also interesting that China (for example) is regarded as an unimportant player.
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RoyalBlingThing Wed 23-Feb-11 11:26:29
wow
[thats nige bending over for a good MN kicking]
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complimentary Wed 23-Feb-11 11:36:41
Question.
Nigel Farage, How do you think you will be able to ensure that we get a referendum on the EU?
Your party was set up in 1992. How has it grown since that time and in what way? Considering you had a very big turnout at the last election, and polled over 900.000 votes. Would you change how you do things at present to encourage people to join the party, or vote for you?
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iCod Wed 23-Feb-11 11:37:31
my question is why do you smoke
its vile
thast all
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complimentary Wed 23-Feb-11 11:43:29
MMelindt. How do you know people joined to support or talk to Nigel Farage? Perhaps they want to post/talk to him, as they do not get the opportunity to do so otherwise. They are mothers with concerns, they have every right to post and ask questions. I hope many do. Must think up some more questions! smile I'm a mother I want my questions asked and answered.
ps. Thanks to all who are asking questions.
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Rinseoffmycustard Wed 23-Feb-11 11:44:54
I know everyone's only allowed one but I would also like to ask you about education and what your policy is on that. Thanks.
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Rinseoffmycustard Wed 23-Feb-11 11:48:29
iCod - what does that have to do with anything?
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Rannaldini Wed 23-Feb-11 11:53:47
finally someone with something interesting to say and he's gorn and left
if you see the pro gun guy, please give me a wave everyone
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StewieGriffinsMom Wed 23-Feb-11 11:57:06
complimentary - you mean besides the people who've self-identified as a male, UKIP employees? Unless you think they can be 'mothers' too?
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midnightexpress Wed 23-Feb-11 11:58:08
Complimentary, if you read the guidelines at the top of the thread, you'll see that each poster is only allowed ONE question.
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Mormonkris Wed 23-Feb-11 12:29:48
Rannaldini,
We already have a 'right to keep arms', as enshrined in our 1689 Bill of Rights.
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Mormonkris Wed 23-Feb-11 12:37:35
StewieGriffinsMom
"And, as a North American, most of us haven't heard of UKIP either."
That's because you don't associate with the right people. Alex Jones' audience know who we are. We've had three of our great UKIP men on his show on numerous occasions. Lord Monckton is particularly well known as respected all over the world.
American Mormons that I speak to absolutely love Nigel for his verbal attack on van Rumpuy et al. They say that they would much rather have someone like Nigel as their president than the Kenyan born CFR member president that they have at the moment.
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complimentary Wed 23-Feb-11 12:38:13
UKIP emplooyees can be mothers and post here can't they? Many quite openly say they work for the Tory party. Labour Party, don't they? So why not say you've joined and work for UKIP works both ways!
OK midnightexpress they can choose any one of my questions!
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complimentary Wed 23-Feb-11 12:39:20
'employees'
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AitchTwoOh Wed 23-Feb-11 12:39:57
wow, this is more embarrassing already than i could ever have imagined. you UKIP people are not cool...
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iCod Wed 23-Feb-11 12:41:43
Im worried there may be Mumboots™ on this thread
i can smell them
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thefirstMrsDeVere Wed 23-Feb-11 12:42:14
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HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 23-Feb-11 12:42:33
MmeLindt
MNHQ
Can you delete this thread and start a new one with only members allowed to post if they have been on MN for at least a month?
This is ridiculous. And it is doing Nigel Farage no favours either.
Hello all. Just to let you know that we have suspended new regs till after Mr Farage's webchat.
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iCod Wed 23-Feb-11 12:42:56
did you see their BOOTS?
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AitchTwoOh Wed 23-Feb-11 12:43:43
i can smell them too, cod. [highly suggestible]
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iCod Wed 23-Feb-11 12:44:14
and the sharp crackle of fleece
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iCod Wed 23-Feb-11 12:52:41
thats it
i rumbled them
all gone!
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Rannaldini Wed 23-Feb-11 12:56:52
Okay but our rights to possess firearms with a very few exceptions and only in tightly controlled circumstances are very limited
why did you bring up being pro-gun?
are there gun policies that you would like to see amended?
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Rannaldini Wed 23-Feb-11 12:58:51
oi codderoo
i wanted to talk to that gentleman about gun legislation
you have bullied he and his compadres away with your stylish talk
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MmeLindt Wed 23-Feb-11 13:02:06
What is CFR member? Is that a reference to OBama?
And why "Kenyan born"? He is american.
Weirder and weirder.
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MmeLindt Wed 23-Feb-11 13:02:37
Thanks, MNHQ for suspending registrations.
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iCod Wed 23-Feb-11 13:08:45
OH MY GOD
farage was one of the people suspended
hence! wink
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Mormonkris Wed 23-Feb-11 13:09:49
Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate
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Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as President of the United States:
“ No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
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Rinseoffmycustard Wed 23-Feb-11 13:11:24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96ZUZ9CPZII
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iCod Wed 23-Feb-11 13:11:47
oh this is all a big myth
i like the idea that mrs obama senior had the prescience of mind to FORGE a birth certificate just in case her newborn wanted to become president
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iCod Wed 23-Feb-11 13:12:14
anyway
i think the US BORN bit of their constitution is ridiculous
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iCod Wed 23-Feb-11 13:12:45
( am sure like most of us mrs Obaama was snivelling into her pyjamas somewhere post natally)
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StewieGriffinsMom Wed 23-Feb-11 13:13:50
Mrs Obama is clearly a brilliant woman.
Mormonkris - are you currently a resident of the UK with the right to vote? If not, why are you here?
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MmeLindt Wed 23-Feb-11 13:13:59
Ah, true colors showing now.
Lol at Mrs Obama forging the vpbirth certificate. I forged my DD's so that DD could become president of France. Also did an American and Canadian one to be on the safe side.
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hymie Wed 23-Feb-11 13:14:03
Mr Farage,
What do you think you can do to distance your party from the perceived 'common ground' it has with extremist parties like the BNP ?
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iCod Wed 23-Feb-11 13:14:45
im going to apply for a Libyan birth certificate
think there MIght be a job coming up there
nice tent, uniform etc
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Rannaldini Wed 23-Feb-11 13:19:57
you certainly have the tashe for it
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MmeLindt Wed 23-Feb-11 13:20:31
The American born thing is strange.
Wonder if those opposed to it would have supported Schwarzenegger for President.
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iCod Wed 23-Feb-11 13:22:21
and the reported required level of flatulence
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Rannaldini Wed 23-Feb-11 13:27:18
arf
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StewieGriffinsMom Wed 23-Feb-11 13:28:41
I might get an Egyptian birth certificate.They seem to have a post open and Dd1 would expire from happiness if allowed to run rampant in the pyramids.
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DollyTwat Wed 23-Feb-11 13:29:28
I"ve had a look at the UKIP manifesto and it just seems like a watered down version of the BNP one, which has a very detailed view on us all carrying arms.
Cod, if you take up the post in Libya you're going to have to dye your face to match your hat and capey thing (which I know you already own).
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ScramVonChubby Wed 23-Feb-11 13:35:37
So Mormon
leaving aside any talk of Mr Obama directly as I sense you wouldn;t ever agree with me there,
would you be happy with a different black, male, democrat President of the USA? If his birth within UK boundaries was a matter of clear record? Particularly one with Muslim family?
As an aside do you accept Obama is not Muslim; I know many Americans do not. Which is odd; I don't think Islam takes too well to it's adherents standing up and publicly denying membership and claiming to be Christian but anyway I doubt many American non-Muslims have read a Qur'an.......
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Mormonkris Wed 23-Feb-11 13:36:04
MmeLindt,
"Wonder if those opposed to it would have supported Schwarzenegger for President."
No, absolutely not. Arnie is even worse than Obama. He has a very dubious past.
http://www.arnoldexposed.com/
I think the only man suitable for the job at the moment is Ron Paul.
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iCod Wed 23-Feb-11 13:37:39
Is Ron paul an adult film star?
he sounds like it.
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elatedad Wed 23-Feb-11 13:39:35
Question to Mr Farage: Can you please list your 3 greatest achievements so far in your work as an MEP, and indicate those concrete goals you intend to fulfil in the name of your constituents by the end of your MEP mandate in 2014?
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Wed 23-Feb-11 13:42:35
Oh blimey. I have missed all the fun of the fair.
@ eice - the votes for prisoners thing is not an EU policy - it is part of the ECHR (European Commission of Human Rights) - nowt to do with EU. Switzerland (non-EU) is a signatory.
I know it must be very hard and brain hurting to work out that not everything starting with the vowels EU is related to the European Union.
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Mormonkris Wed 23-Feb-11 13:42:52
ScramVonChubby,
I would be delighted if a one legged, black, lesbian Muslim (if that's not too much of a contradiction) woman was elected as president of the United States, so long as she adhered to the US Constitution and didn't try to crush free speech and remove the 2nd amendment. Likewise, I would be happy for a black man or woman to lead UKIP at some point in the future.
FYI, I'm mixed race, just like Obama!
I think Muslims are great people. In fact, Muslims like Mormons because we share similar values. That's why Muslims are happy to send their children to BYU.
I know what the BNP are about. There is only one thing they despise more than blacks and Asians - that's people like me.
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Wed 23-Feb-11 13:43:14
You're thinking of Ron Jeremy, iCod. I don't blame you.
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dawntigga Wed 23-Feb-11 13:44:36
I'd quite like to know how you can have somebody caught out in such blatant lies as the deputy leader of your party?
I refer of course to the lamentable Christopher Monckton 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley
quote:
“I am a member of the House of Lords, though without the right to sit or vote, and I have never suggested otherwise.”
Erm, no he isn't the House of Lords confirmed that Christopher Monckton is not and has never been a Member of the House of Lords. There is no such thing as a non-voting or honorary member.
I think the integrity of your party is at best doubtful.
Oh and don't go saying other parties lie or they started lying first. S/he started first/are doing it only works if you are 3!
BTW this was just the first lie I thought of I have others if you'd like to refute them.
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hymie Wed 23-Feb-11 13:47:12
Has there been any response from Mr Farage anywhere ?
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ScramVonChubby Wed 23-Feb-11 13:48:02
' one legged, black, lesbian Muslim (if that's not too much of a contradiction'
[why would that be a contradiction? statistically unlikely, perhaps)
I agree that Muslims, Mormons and generally Christioans (and probably athrists too!) sahre similar values: I think most people do tbh, but I certainly know a few racist Mormons myself, in the UK. A few racists from all faiths and pathways in fact.
So why be so anti Obama?
Is it his Democrat beliefs?
if it comes down to a birth dcertificate- what honestly is the point of that? A piece of paper. What you think or not, it's fairly meaningless tbh.
To me anyway.
And the BNP yes I would agree with you there: they probably would hate you, although they'd be unlikely to have the guts to admit it. saying that, I have disabled kids so they are not too chuffed with me either. Not that I care immensely.
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thefirstMrsDeVere Wed 23-Feb-11 13:57:44
'I think Muslims are great people'
Oops I was supposed to be biscuit ing this thread
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ScramVonChubby Wed 23-Feb-11 14:10:15
Me too MrsDV with the hobnobs.... wink- BTW owe you soem ASD powerpoints don;t I? sorry been useless. And some info), I remember doing but didn;t send: harass me, I ahve a twomminute attention span ATM)
Some Muslims are great people; some are prats. Same as every oteghr grouping that exists. And even then most of us are wonderful sometimes, complete idiots at others. I am.
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thefirstMrsDeVere Wed 23-Feb-11 14:17:14
Consider yourself harrassed.
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cakeywakey Wed 23-Feb-11 14:19:11
Mr Farage, how do you propose to go about promoting 'one culture for all' and who decides what that culture will be?
Not even going into the Welsh/Scottish/Irish debate, there isn't even a monoculture in England - will it be the culture of the 'right people' MormonKris has mentioned (who StewieGriffinsMum doesn't mix with grin)? And where would that leave people like me who are British-born but from another cultural background?
If we're chatting to parties without parliamentary seats, when are we getting the Monster Raving Looneys in? I'd like to chat with Lord Toby Jug wink I like this policy of theirs:
Hypocrites
It is proposed that all politicians be made to swear a "hippocratic oath", preventing them by law from being Hypocrites. All politicians should be made to stand by their policies, or or at least admit that they were wrong.
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MmeLindt Wed 23-Feb-11 14:19:18
A UKIP member on Twitter has asserted that some "UKIP members" on this thread are actually people trying to make UKIP look bad.
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Wed 23-Feb-11 14:19:54
Nigel Farage, Godfrey Bloom and Viscount Monckton are definitely the prime suspects in a Poirot mystery.
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CaptainNancy Wed 23-Feb-11 14:21:01
A serious question then Mr Farage:
How do you expect your party to appeal to women ('us' mums tend to be women btw) when the former UKIP member and MEP Nikki Sinclaire won a sexual discrimination case against her former colleagues in the party in December 2010?
You expelled her from UKIP for her refusal to sit with the EDF group in the EU Parliament that UKIP has allied itself with, that has amongst its members MEPs representing extremist views. When Mike Nattrass MEP also left the EDF grouping, he did not have the UKIP whip removed - despite him branding you 'a spiv' and 'a control freak'. Why was this
because
he's
male
?
How do you defend
the
indefensible
this standpoint?
Only 8% of UKIP MEPS are female- not exactly representative. None are from BME backgrounds either. And presumably (now) none are LBGT. As a Dulwich College alumnus, you are yet another public schoolboy trying to tell us how to
think
vote.
Oh, and if there's time... please tell us how you defend Godfrey Bloom MEP heckling the German MEP Martin Schulz with the words "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer" last November, pretty please?"
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Wed 23-Feb-11 14:22:49
"I think Muslims are great people."
What? Even Omid Djalili???
NB: Mormon Kris - excuse me if you have said this or if this is not rude but are you a Brit?
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DamselInDisguise Wed 23-Feb-11 14:23:38
Why would anyone need to try to make UKIP look bad? confused I find that their official representatives do the job well enough themselves.
Can we pick the singular culture at random: a lucky dip?
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thefirstMrsDeVere Wed 23-Feb-11 14:23:42
A UKIP member on Twitter has asserted that some "UKIP members" on this thread are actually people trying to make UKIP look bad.
Isnt that what the BNP always say if one of their members
morons
says something stupid?
It wasnt us - it was them lying lefties.
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thefirstMrsDeVere Wed 23-Feb-11 14:25:16
I choose MINE. You all have to have like vintage chic
tat
, go mental at Christmas and buy 6 tons of plastic toys, like cakes and lust after David Tennant (but only as Dr Who).
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cakeywakey Wed 23-Feb-11 14:25:48
Agree with Damsel, no need to make them look bad by stealth, they do a jolly good job on their own. What, what?
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DamselInDisguise Wed 23-Feb-11 14:26:23
before I agree to this proposal, MrsDeVere, I need to know: what kind of cakes?
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cakeywakey Wed 23-Feb-11 14:26:53
Culture lucky-dip, like the idea. Hope it's not Geordie, I really need to wear my coat when I go out at night wink
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madamimadam Wed 23-Feb-11 14:33:00
This thread is going to be the gift that just keeps giving, isn't it?
I have to say, I base my view on the hair's breath similarity between UKIP and the BNP on the ramblings from both parties that were shoved through my letterbox during the election. Both equally disturbing and unpleasant but UKIP seemed to see itself as a better class of bigot. Golf-club bigots iyswim.
I don't happen to agree with Conservative party policy, for example, but at least Tory ideology has an internal consistency - UKIP's missive was an incoherent shambles and littered with basic factual errors. It is also very hard to give any credence at all to an organisation that behaves as it has on this thread - never mind the fleeting grasp it seems to have of factual accuracy - or reality for that matter.
900,000 people voted for you, eh? I wonder how many people wrote to free Deirdre Rashid back in the day...
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thefirstMrsDeVere Wed 23-Feb-11 14:33:15
I do not consider anything with fruit or nuts in it a cake. Jam/cream/chocolate has to be present in some form or quantity.
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cakeywakey Wed 23-Feb-11 14:34:55
How about Battenburg MrsDeVere?
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DamselInDisguise Wed 23-Feb-11 14:37:05
I'm not agreeing to anything that involves battenburg cake.
I was always fooled by its colourful quarters as a child. Vile stuff.
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CaptainNancy Wed 23-Feb-11 14:37:48
mrsDeVere- it would have to be wooden toys- this is mn you know!
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Wed 23-Feb-11 14:38:22
If you look on their manifesto they are very keen on encouraging "British designers" to create "a reinvigorated British style."
Being married to a 'creative' hmm I know there is nothing more the design community love than being told what to make and what it should look like. Especially politicians.
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dawntigga Wed 23-Feb-11 14:40:01
CaptainNancy I thought about asking that but thought I'd go with Viscount Monckton instead as his name makes me laugh. You did kind of hijack my second question though with Bloom's heckle wink
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CaptainNancy Wed 23-Feb-11 14:41:48
wow tondelayo- isn't that quite similar to what happened in Germany in the 1930s?
Cakeywakey- I believe battenburg is quite close to UKIP's colours...
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madamimadam Wed 23-Feb-11 14:43:04
cakeywakey, I'm quite glad it's UKIP this week, that means it's the Monster Raving Looney party next week and the Flat Earth Society after that.
And clearly UKIP doesn't even have the courage of its own convictions, if its own people are now asserting that the UKIP posters here are wreckers trying to make them look bad. What do you say to that then, Mr Staveley and Mr Towler, eh? Lovely bunch of friends you've got there...
And yes, MNHQ, if I can have any question going to Nige, please can it be Captain Nancy's:
How do you defend Godfrey Bloom MEP heckling the German MEP Martin Schulz with the words "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer" last November?"
Nigel, I'm all ears...
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cakeywakey Wed 23-Feb-11 14:50:54
Good point CaptainNancy, scrap the Battenburg. Immediately!
Definitely looking forward to the Monster Raving Looneys Madam wink
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thefirstMrsDeVere Wed 23-Feb-11 14:52:14
I am on the fence re battenburg - I am overly fond of pink you see.
Wooden toys are not part of my culture - particularly wooden bicycles. I am afraid I am unmovable on this point.
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thefirstMrsDeVere Wed 23-Feb-11 14:53:05
What are UKIPs colours then? I have been so blinded my their policies I havent noticed....
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madamimadam Wed 23-Feb-11 14:56:29
Ah but who are the British designers? How far back are we going?
Nigel, have you got Alfred the Great in cryogenic storage? Does he have an autumn-winter collection out?
(That means capes will be in again, won't it? So sweet of you to give us MNers the heads up on that one, Nige... )
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DamselInDisguise Wed 23-Feb-11 14:56:47
I just looked to see what the UKIP colours are and, my poor eyes, that is an ugly website.
If that yellow and pink pound sign logo is anything to go by, I never want to see the UKIP vision of new British design!
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Wed 23-Feb-11 14:57:53
Here are their election leaflets from last year:
Lurid pink and yellow straight from Barbie: The Movie.
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Wed 23-Feb-11 14:58:34
That's Barbie the popular fashion doll, not Klaus Barbie if any UKIP fans are reading.
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madamimadam Wed 23-Feb-11 14:58:59
MrsDeVere, Battenburgs surely have a rich Teutonic heritage, in keeping with the acceptable racial profile of UKIP teatime treats.
It's those degenerate Welsh cakes we should all be shunning. Feckless, cowardly Celtic pastries that they are...
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Wed 23-Feb-11 15:00:48
Isn't Battenburg the real name of our beloved first family?
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ScramVonChubby Wed 23-Feb-11 15:02:28
Nothing with fruit MrsDV? I find Nigella's chocolate ornage cake to be extremely yummy <>
I am well aware of teh UKIP colours; they ahvd a very overt member between here and Asda. It's certainly- ahem- vivid.
Given that DS1 wants to be a jewlerry designer am assuming that anyhting he designs will by default be a British style? No?
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DamselInDisguise Wed 23-Feb-11 15:02:33
The UKIP leaflets look like they are for a dodgy loan company. They only reinforce my concerns about what they consider to be the future of British design.
Or perhaps they're basing the claim that British designers need to get a move on and do something different based on their experience with the —crappy— designers they chose to employ.
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Mormonkris Wed 23-Feb-11 15:02:36
You are welcome to go along to your local UKIP branch meeting and see for yourself that UKIP members are pretty ordinary people. We have a variety of views and opinions, but we are basically just like you.
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cakeywakey Wed 23-Feb-11 15:02:52
Who'd have thought that cake choices could be such a political minefield. No wonder we normally stick to biscuits.
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thefirstMrsDeVere Wed 23-Feb-11 15:04:13
I am thinking Krispy Kremes......
Sickly, synthetic, you are not really sure what goes into them...
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eice Wed 23-Feb-11 15:04:13
What I find really "monster raving and looney" is how many of the posters on here think it's perfectly sensible to be a member of an institution so undemocratic (the EU) that it refuses to give the people referendums on whether they want to be in or out, ignores them when they do say NO (Eire),is presided over by unelected faceless bureaucrats on the gravy train who are paid more than than elected politicians, milks us for millions every year etc etc.
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thefirstMrsDeVere Wed 23-Feb-11 15:06:48
Now I know this is my personal opinion... but I think people who join UKIP are too cowardly to join the BNP. Whenever I see a UKIP poster in a window I think 'I bet you wish that was a BNP one'
Just my opinion...
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cakeywakey Wed 23-Feb-11 15:06:58
Would that be the 'right type' of ordinary people MormonKris? Thank you for the invitation, I won't be taking it up.
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DamselInDisguise Wed 23-Feb-11 15:07:51
eice: It's national governments that decide on whether to give their people referendums and whether or not to ignore them. You should hold the right people accountable, really.
Blaming the EU is a bit like muttering about 'global capitalism' when Tesco have run out of milk.
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ScramVonChubby Wed 23-Feb-11 15:12:42
Now I ahve a question for Nigel please
The bloke down the road who has the vivid sigsns, one says Say No To Europe.
I have a very literal autistic ds who EVERY SINGLE TIME we pass says 'what's the point of saying not to Europe? It's a continent, it won;t understand us. And it woudlnt; speak English if it did so we'd have to say Non, or Nein. And then you have to use manners so it woudl be please say no thank you to Europe. Except not to Europe but it's people. And in their language'
So can you change your signs to 'Please say no in a polite phrase using geographically appropriate language to those people who would like us to be part of the EU'
Ta
And yes, why American supporetrs? Don't get it: UK, Europe......????????
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CaptainNancy Wed 23-Feb-11 15:13:49
smile
dawntigga- the Viscount Monckton stuff was v interesting! I don't vant a viscount...
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MummyBerryJuice Wed 23-Feb-11 15:14:20
I'm confused. Why is American politics even featuring on this thread. I thought it was a discussion with a British politician. confused
Also, how are you [UKIP supporters] expecting to win favour with mum's [voters] if you insinuate that we are incapable of thinking for ourselves or doing doing anything other than 'home-making' (whatever that may be)?
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ScramVonChubby Wed 23-Feb-11 15:15:14
If the bureaucrats in Europe are really faceless then that's excellent news: one for us disability activists then. A new disability on me though and I thought I knew most of them.
You didn't really mean that did you? You were ranting yes? just a teeny weensy leetle bit and with slightly emotive langauge.........
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poppyknot Wed 23-Feb-11 15:19:39
'Everyone knows you can't make Battenberg!'
Sorry this quote came to me. My friend and I used to add it to exchanges now and then for no reason. I think it comes from 'Wetherby' Or a less mangled version of it.. blush
Sorry for the intrusion.......
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thefirstMrsDeVere Wed 23-Feb-11 15:20:30
PMSL at this thread.
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hymie Wed 23-Feb-11 15:21:24
Please excuse my ignorance, Did Farage actually respond /defecate anywhere ?
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Wed 23-Feb-11 15:24:54
No Hymie - he's here at lunchtime tomorrow.
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madamimadam Wed 23-Feb-11 15:25:05
No, he's not here yet, hymie. We've got his warm-up act on instead...
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hymie Wed 23-Feb-11 15:28:41
D'oh ! I should learn to read the small print.
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TheSmallPrint Wed 23-Feb-11 15:29:46
what do you want to read me for?
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TheSmallPrint Wed 23-Feb-11 15:30:35
I have to say this thread is making me larf.
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madamimadam Wed 23-Feb-11 15:32:56
Oh and MormonKris,
You've never answered whether you are actually registered to vote in our sceptr'd isle?
Love the idea of joining 'ordinary' gun-totin', home-makin', thirst-quenchin', lip-smackin' folk, though. And I am a fan of tea-parties too. I vet all my pastries thoroughly (was going to write 'patisserie' but that's an unacceptably furren word, isn't it?)
(I am surprised to hear that your party has physical attractiveness criteria for membership. Tho' you must tighten this up. Sadly the UKIPers round my way are very far from 'pretty'.)
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DamselInDisguise Wed 23-Feb-11 15:35:50
I do hope that Nigel isn't stopping by to defecate, hymie.
He might (OK, will) talk shit though.
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Wed 23-Feb-11 15:38:19
madam - have you not google-imaged Peter & Gawain ?
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dawntigga Wed 23-Feb-11 15:42:49
CaptainNancy I find my sign off's are the tiniest bit Marmite.
WondersIfUKIPPlanOnBanningMarmiteBeingTechnicallyFurrenTiggaxx
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DamselInDisguise Wed 23-Feb-11 15:44:48
Right. I think I might have come up with a question.
Given UKIP's policy commitment to British style, do you agree with the description of this pen as 'stylish'?
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Wed 23-Feb-11 15:45:40
itstheBNPthathadtherowwithMarmitexx
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eice Wed 23-Feb-11 15:45:54
@scramvonwhatever You really are wasted on here someone of your wit should be on the stage...
Tell me one thing that I listed about the EU that is untrue - no not the figures of speech "faceless" or "gravy train" - you funny old thing you lol, no really laugh out loud!
Oh don't bother a serious response would be a "teensy weensy" bit beyond you wouldn't it...
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dawntigga Wed 23-Feb-11 15:52:03
TondelayoSchwarzkopf I know that, but it was invented by a furriner which always made me laugh when I saw the BNP thing wink
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madamimadam Wed 23-Feb-11 15:52:34
Tondelayo, I have to say I haven't. I daren't risk them inflaming my passions further and turning me all kinder, kuche, kirche.
(And they say they have nothing in common with national socialists. Only their views on women, clearly. hmm)
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DollyTwat Wed 23-Feb-11 15:52:47
oh hang on, I found this
'UKIP would require the UK theme medley to be restored to BBC Radio 4'
there, there's a policy that's worth explaining
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CaptainNancy Wed 23-Feb-11 15:53:14
But I love marmite! grin
(bnp-hijacked associations aside)
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madamimadam Wed 23-Feb-11 15:53:14
PS Dawntigga, I love your signoffs. Now, my addiction to italics, that is furren and bad.
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CaptainNancy Wed 23-Feb-11 15:54:53
No- dolly- I would have to support that one myself <<
briefly
fondly remembers 5am bfing>>
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FannyFifer Wed 23-Feb-11 16:00:48
I see my "seriously unhinged" comment was certainly correct.
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madamimadam Wed 23-Feb-11 16:02:23
Now you ask, eice, I was going to start posting a list of benefits that I feel the EU has given us (by us, I mean voting British citizens, MormonKris...) but didn't want to turn this thread into a parody of the 'What have the Romans Ever Done for Us' scene from the Life of Brian. I am very happy to do so though, if you feel you would benefit from such a primer.
(PS Please don't be boring and draw a comparison between the Roman Empire and the EU. That would be too unimaginative even for your lot, surely)
I also didn't want to risk pushing this thread over the 1,000 post mark and giving your friend Nige no room to say his piece. Though you UKIPers are so very obliging and I find it so very hard not to be polite and respond.
(And what's wrong with being witty on here? Surely the fact that it is a widely-publicised forum is why the UKIP lot have asked to have their say. Reading Scram's words makes my day a bit better and a little bit happier. Which is more than I can say for anything UKIP do.
I know. I have a home that needs making. Do excuse me..
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ScramVonChubby Wed 23-Feb-11 16:06:37
Nope it wouldn;t eice, be beyond my inclination with this thread though. You see, I don't do 'single issue' party politics of any kind. Europe is ONE electoral field; what about all the very many others? What about ATOS and the impact on the autistic people I support for a living? What about the impact of selection on beight - but- challenging children like my son who has Asperger's? (oh no, did I actually read the policy doc? wow). What about parents who CHOOSE inclusion, and where did this stuff about allowing parents to choose special schools- we already can, I have, but there aren't enough places; how do you isue vouchers for univeristy education based ona cademic ability to adults who return later in life with experience instead of exams as I did (good degree, doing a Master's now), or as my DH is doing (heading for a first in a tech subject)? How will UKIP force locals to accept social housing when here they wil protest about one 50/50 ownership being built (the locals will win without big changes to planning law generally, even though there is a huge need)? How can you replace housing benefit with workfare when 80% of claimants are not unemployed- most are either disabled, elderly, carers, or in low paid employment; Why is the website so out of date it talks about DLA when that is being pahsed out as a benefit and cut by 20%?
Noew of it adds up; it's all under informed.
Oh yes and on the website when you search disability it brings up a really horrid joke about rudolph claiming disability discrimination. The page has been removed but the joke still comes up in search. Yuck. Why would I ever, as mum to 4 children with needs varying between SEN and severe SN, ever vote for a party that thinks disability discrimination is a joke?
ScramVonChubby, btw: my son's hamster's name.
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DamselInDisguise Wed 23-Feb-11 16:16:17
I do find it slightly hilarious that UKIP is against the EU, so they want to withdraw and set up some Commonwealth-based equivalent instead. The major difference between them seems to be that they imagine that Britain (which is largely elided with England, which again doesn't seem to represent the whole of England anyway) will be in charge of this new form of British imperialism. I don't think they've really considered that many countries probably won't want to join up to this project and that any that did might have their own ideas about how things should be.
Of course, they'll say that this is an entirely different type of project, but it seems to me that UKIP yearn for the glory days of the British empire when the rest of the world knew its place. They go as far as stating that the dodgy stuff like colonialism and slavery are all some kind of "Marxist-Leftist conspiracy" to paint Britain as the villain.
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LydiaDustbin2 Wed 23-Feb-11 16:52:17
Hate to break with the norm here but I do actually have a question for Nigel.grin
Are you planning on issuing a new policy document/manifesto soon? those on your website are dated April 2010 and correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Lord Pearson the leader then?
Would be interested to see what, if any polices have changed since you were re-elected.
Also hope you are recovered from your accident now.
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IdLikeaFarageInMyGarage Wed 23-Feb-11 16:55:36
thast all really.
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Rinseoffmycustard Wed 23-Feb-11 16:59:12
^ I don't think you understand how the EU works, it's similar to the soviet union, it's not just for trade, the people who make the rules are unelected and we cannot sack them (the EC). And it's not a single issue - there is probably not any aspect of your life now that isn't affected by our membership - it's pro statism - and they (UKIP) have a full manifesto - http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies
And they are not opting for a rerun of the British empire, find out yourself before you start making big scary claims that you have actually just parroted from the media
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQS365lkx1A - statism in action.
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ScramVonChubby Wed 23-Feb-11 17:02:49
They do have a full manifesto, and as I said in my post plenty either makes little real life sense (SEN)or is based upon actual facts as they stand (housing benefit).
Why do people who vote for certain parties think we do not understand, when in fact we simply disagree?
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Wed 23-Feb-11 17:05:51
Why do UKIP-ers keep going on about how we are "parroting the media", when most of the questions and statements here are based on direct quotation from their candidates and manifesto?
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ScramVonChubby Wed 23-Feb-11 17:10:02
Isn't the internet and printed manifesto a form of media, Tondelayo?
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IdLikeaFarageInMyGarage Wed 23-Feb-11 17:11:23
and we retain the right to be facetious.
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Wed 23-Feb-11 17:16:52
By the media Scram they mean the guardian and the BBC. They don't mean the Express or the Mail or anything they agree with / publish. grin
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glasnost Wed 23-Feb-11 17:19:07
Question for Mr. Farage: What do you think of the Northern League party in Italy? They are un unreservedly racist secessionist party who use overtly racist language on TV (calling black people "bingo bongos" and advising the use of immigrants as target practice for hunters) because over there they can get away with it being allies of Berlusconi who decides what goes on Tv and what doesn't. And what do you think of the Jobit party in Hungary who advocate the sterilisation of gypsies among other things?
This is a serious question so please put it forward for me.
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glasnost Wed 23-Feb-11 17:20:07
to HIM I meant. no freudian slip intended!
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glasnost Wed 23-Feb-11 17:27:31
Sorry I meant JOBBIK party in Hungary.
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madamimadam Wed 23-Feb-11 17:54:31
' the people who make the rules are unelected and we cannot sack them (the EC)'
Our judges in the UK aren't elected either, Rinse...
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cakeywakey Wed 23-Feb-11 17:58:24
Rinseoff, I don't think you understand how Mumsnet webchats work. This isn't a platform for UKIP supporters to bump up the numbers and give their fringe party a boost, asking planted questions to give Mr Farrage an easy time.
Have you read any of the other webchats with politicians? None of them recieved an overly warm welome and had challenging questions posed to them. That's politics surely?
Also, I don't see anyone stating that UKIP is opting for a rerun of the British Empire - just that the party probably yearns for a return to a time when other countries knew their place (women too by any chance?) A bit different to the spin you're putting on it.
As for parroting opinions, seeing as many of us have
wasted
taken the time to look at your website, and read literature that UKIP candiates gave us for recycling at election time, many of our posts are based on the party's own policies.
But what would I know hmm
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Gleeb Wed 23-Feb-11 18:01:24
My Dad campaigns for UKIP.
And I saw Nigel Farage outside Bromley South station a few months ago.
FML.
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Kitto Wed 23-Feb-11 18:18:13
Message deleted by Mumsnet.
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MmeLindt Wed 23-Feb-11 18:22:07
Don't tell me you were a MNetter before today, now. Did you sneak on to register before MNHQ blocked new registrations?
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thefirstMrsDeVere Wed 23-Feb-11 18:23:15
thanks for that kitto you have completely changed my mind hmm
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StewieGriffinsMom Wed 23-Feb-11 18:25:27
She's never posted with that name before.
MNHQ Has Kitto made it past the ban? Are we allowed to link personal blogs on webchats?
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cakeywakey Wed 23-Feb-11 18:25:49
Hello Kitto, that's quite a first post. I've already posted my one question thanks - we're only meant to ask the one you see on webchats - which is based squarely on UKIP policy. I do hope you find it thoughtful enough.
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Kitto Wed 23-Feb-11 18:26:43
Bonjour Mme Lindt,
I didn't register before they blocked registrations so to speak, I borrowed someone else's account.
(I was going to write in French, but wasn't sure which part of Switzerland you were in, and German is a pain when you don't have all the umlauts.)
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Wed 23-Feb-11 18:26:47
Are UKIP going to send any members here who are, y'know, MUMS?
There are plenty of thoughtful questions on this thread.
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thefirstMrsDeVere Wed 23-Feb-11 18:28:12
You borrowed someone's account? To spout your propaganda? Vair bad form I say.
But then, what can you expect?
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StewieGriffinsMom Wed 23-Feb-11 18:28:35
MNHQ Do we have a policy on borrowing other people's registrations to post on webchats?
Why do UKIP supporters not understand how a webchat works? Surely, it's self-explanatory?
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Kitto Wed 23-Feb-11 18:29:00
Sorry for intruding, I was just very agitated at being labelled "mentally unbalanced" for no good reason - a rude and insensitive remark.
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Wed 23-Feb-11 18:31:47
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
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MmeLindt Wed 23-Feb-11 18:33:26
My question to Nigel
So, we have all had a bit of fun with your supporters but I would like to address a question to you.
I was appalled to read these statistics which showed that
an astounding 59% of British citizens think that immigration is too high
Asked to estimate the proportion of foreign-born people living in the UK, the average guess is 29.4%. The true figure according to OECD data is 10.8%
Around a quarter of Brits don't think any migrant should be allowed to access the NHS (25%) or state schools (22%), even if they are here legally
80% of British citizens do not think that children whose parents have brought them to UK illegally should be allowed to go to school. Or use NHS resources.
Does reading a statement like that make you ashamed that your party has contributed to the culture of fear of immigration?
Do you take the responsibility for rise in intolerance in the British culture?
I feel ashamed to read those statistics. Ashamed to be British. How does that fit in with your hope of making Britain a country to be proud of?
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Kitto Wed 23-Feb-11 18:33:41
MrsDeVere, I am not spouting propaganda, I just wanted to correct a couple of things. I was hoping that if MN users did want debate with UKIPpers (admittedly I was perhaps being naive here), that if I provided a link to my article (which I wrote assuming I wouldn't be able to respond to certain vile comments on here), that we could debate on there, and I could leave you lot in peace to have your webchat. With that in mind I will bid you all adieu and leave you to it! Be nice to Nigel!
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Kitto Wed 23-Feb-11 18:34:56
Oh and TondelayoSchwarzkopf, please do some reading.
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StewieGriffinsMom Wed 23-Feb-11 18:35:01
This isn't a debate. Its a webchat with Nigel Farage.
If you want to debate, start a thread in politics.
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iCod Wed 23-Feb-11 18:35:36
Just to let you know i have the desert boots.
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MmeLindt Wed 23-Feb-11 18:36:01
Ah, go easy on "Kitto". I have been conversing with him on Twitter.
He seems like a nice young lad. Once he gets the silly UKIP stuff out of him system he will make a pleasant son in law.
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cakeywakey Wed 23-Feb-11 18:37:49
What SGM said. With bells on.
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midnightexpress Wed 23-Feb-11 18:39:35
something like this iCod?
Third pic down for the pro-gun poster earlier.
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cakeywakey Wed 23-Feb-11 18:49:31
I love this comment left on Kitto's blog "^You’ll probably find that, given its nature, the degree of troll infiltration on to Mumsnet by lefties, LibDims and Greens is quite significant^".
So if it's not people 'pretending' to be UKIP members it's us trolling lefties you have to watch out for. As 97% of people didn't vote for UKIP, any chance that there are a lot of people who just don't agree with your policies perhaps? Bloody hilarious.
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MmeLindt Wed 23-Feb-11 18:54:42
Ha. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Earth to UKIP. Mumsnetters are lefties, lib dems and greens, with the odd Tory thrown in to even things up.
Odd as in a few, not as peculiar.
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ScramVonChubby Wed 23-Feb-11 18:55:47
Troll eh?
Do we all have to turn up with a certificate signed by MNHQ stating date of membership (FWIW, when ds2 was six months old, he is now ten).
Anyone who is LD, Green or Lab is a troll?
Not many 'Billy Goats Gruff' left to play with, then. Quick, where's LFN? wink
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thefirstMrsDeVere Wed 23-Feb-11 19:29:02
Bye
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anglosaxon Wed 23-Feb-11 19:29:41
Question for Nigel Farage ~ In what ways will our children be better off when Britain leaves the EU? Thank you.
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FannyFifer Wed 23-Feb-11 20:13:43
Ah come on now kitto it was "seriously unhinged" not "mentally unbalanced" ye were described as. wine
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dawntigga Wed 23-Feb-11 20:21:33
For the Obama birth cert person here
ThoughtThatHadBeenLaidToRestTiggaxx
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SardineQueen Wed 23-Feb-11 20:41:18
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DamselInDisguise Wed 23-Feb-11 21:03:44
Kitto dear, the main policies section of the official ukip website says:
"Threats to Britishness - The British Cultural Left
The British cultural/Marxist left has spent decades undermining British values and institutions. It has cast even the most sober and understated expressions of pride in nationhood as 'racist' and casts Britain as a historical villain guilty of slavery, colonialism and various other real and imagined wrongs. The current British establishment ironically is anti-British in important respects. This world view often relies on large grants to its 'equality' and 'diversity' quangos and strategic positions in the media, education and the legal system. The cultural left has also supported multiculturalism and supranationalism, both of which undermine a unified sense of being 'British'. UKIP opposes multiculturalism and political correctness and promotes uniculturalism, a single British culture embracing all races, religions and colours."
The official party position, then, would be of fondly remembering the days when the rest of the world knew it's place and of a singular 'britishness' (which does not exist, and never has').
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SpeedyGonzalez Wed 23-Feb-11 21:40:20
Nigel Farage, why does your name sound French? Are you actually a continental European in disguise?
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Kitto Wed 23-Feb-11 21:54:08
Damsel, FYI there is a thread on the politics section, but to quickly address your point, you have greatly misinterpreted what was said.
What it is saying is that we should not be ashamed of our past and recognise the positive roles UK played, rather than constantly looking for a dark side in our past.
It does not say, or even imply, that colonialism or slavery was invented by the Marxist left.
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huddspur Wed 23-Feb-11 22:02:38
How would you repair the diplomatic damage with our closest neighbours and trading partners that would be caused by our withdrawal from the EU?
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CaptainNancy Wed 23-Feb-11 22:03:42
But it does say the 'left' has cast Britain as a 'villain guilty of slavery, colonialism' rather than actually perpetrating slavery and colonialism has made Britain a villain historically.
Can you see the difference?
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DamselInDisguise Wed 23-Feb-11 22:08:25
Thing is, you don't get to ignore the bad bits of the past and concentrate on the bits you like.
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Wed 23-Feb-11 22:27:28
Hi Kitto. Why are you posting rude things about me on your Twitter feed instead of engaging with me on this thread?
To answer your Tweets:
I am not an anti-UKIP troll. I have been on mumsnet for two years and am a regular poster on the Breastfeeding, Weaning, Feminism, Property, Fiction, Self-Employment and other threads, which is more than some of the newcomers here can say.
I have posted my one question - which is about UKIP's maternity leave policy (relevant no?) and have engaged in some light banter with other posters. I have always cited references for my claims.
I have not called anyone mentally unbalanced and have had my mild dig at you removed because I don't like people making jokes about mental illness (including myself).
And if you read my first post you can see that i have defended Farage's right to be here.
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Rinseoffmycustard Wed 23-Feb-11 23:00:21
^I don't see what's wrong about their stance on multiculturalism, there is such a thing as multi racialism, which is good, but they are different, the only way multiculturalism will possibly work is with segregation which has happened, there's nothing racist about expecting everyone in Britain to consider themselves British and follow our laws and way of life - the opposite of multiculturalism - and because of the segregation multiculturalism has caused 80% of Muslims consider themselves Islamic before British. That shouldn't be happening. I'll hand over to pat who has ginger eyebrows to explain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SReDcW0fokE
And there are no similarities between uncontrolled Islamic immigration now into a population of 61 million and Viking immigration thousands of years ago.
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SpeedyGonzalez Wed 23-Feb-11 23:02:40
huddspur, in response to your question I am imagining a world in which we had to rely on the sneering faces of UKIP to heal a diplomatic rift. <>
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Rinseoffmycustard Wed 23-Feb-11 23:23:22
Can people stop make extreme prejudged claims before they have even listened to what he has to say or read his policies and found one that is discriminative. Otherwise they are completely baseless. I know extremely left wing people do it a lot to get what they want but can you not at least hold back for one day? Thanks.
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Rinseoffmycustard Wed 23-Feb-11 23:23:49
*making
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 00:36:00
Kitto, I'm another who has been graced with a mention on your blog. As you mention remarks I've made here, I hope other MNers won't mind if I answer them here, in case you and your fellow travellers stop by tomorrow:
Firstly, wouldn't presume to stereotype the experiences and backgrounds of others on MN, as you have done, beyond stating that, yes, I have lived and worked in Europe as well.
I, too, don't doubt NF's right to be here tomorrow. However, I'm not 'ignorant' - all of my comments and assumptions about UKIP have been formed from the printed matter that was put through my door at the election, comments I have seen NF and others make on television, radio and on my doorstep. I'd suggest that any 'misconceptions about the party, misinterpretations of party policy, and ... downright lies' stem from members of your own party.
You wrote on your blog in reference to my remark on Welsh cakes: ' This poster should also revisit the history books, if it thinks that England does not have any Celtic identity at all'.
Don't worry about me, Kitto. I have a Master's in British History (thesis: nineteenth century racial theory). Tell one of your UKIP compadres, anglosaxon. I also made the comment because there is a rich vein of Euroscepticism (most evident in UKIP) that trades on a seemingly universally-accepted concept of 'Britishness' -without ever once defining what that means. Who is British, Kitto? Are we talking about Anglo-Saxons or does it predate that? Whose culture defines Britishness? Is is 'old maids bicycling to Holy Communion through the morning mist'? Or Banksy and Bhangra?
It's very easy for you and others in your party to dismiss those of us who oppose your party as 'lefties'. (I wouldn't say I was, by the way...) But even those on the right say you're 'a bunch of fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists'. To quote David Cameron. The well-known Trot (tho' to you, I suppose he is...).
So, no, Kitto - and actually, Rinse this is for you too: I'm not 'ignorant'. I'm an educated, professional woman who runs her own business and has taken the time to read the sorry little leaflets your party has dropped through my door. My antipathy to your party is entirely informed.
Btw, Kitto, I did ask 'actual questions'. But here's another, just for you. I know that UKIP has banned former BNP members from joining the party - at last. But how many ex-UKIP members have joined the BNP?
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 02:14:37
I think being Euro-sceptic is more to do with wanting Britain and democracy to exist than being traditionally British. This is the same treaty/constitution that you actually live under (it overrules the British one):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdHuRabSQDU
And I think the fact that racists are leaving UKIP actually shows that they are not racist, otherwise they would be staying wouldn't they. And this happens all over the political spectrum anyway. And seriously watch that link, it forgets to mention that the EU has the power to remove you children from your care directly based on a mere allegation, even from a child molester.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2699800300274168460#http://video.google.com/videop…60#
Copy this link (right-click and choose "copy"):
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DillyDaydreaming Thu 24-Feb-11 07:25:35
Can someone link to Kitto's blog - would like to have a read. Ta!
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DillyDaydreaming Thu 24-Feb-11 07:34:22
Mr Farage - hello - my question is regarding the immigration concerns UKIP has.
As a nurse and also as a family member I have see first hand the number of people filling very low paid jobs caring for the elderly in nursing homes and care homes. Assuming there was a five year freeze in immigration how would UKIP deal with the vacancies which would inevitably occur over the 5 years in these low paid but essential jobs?
Note - as I have a famly member in need of full time nursing care I would not want to see reluctant people plucked from the dole queue to care for her. The carers she has (of many nationalities) are doing the job willingly and very well.
This is a serious question asked because just on this one issue I would be concerned about the impact on my grandmother. So what would be UKIP's plan for the impact on day to day life.
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NJE Thu 24-Feb-11 07:40:03
30k gross as a nanny, 30h a week.
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NJE Thu 24-Feb-11 07:40:43
Sorry, thats what happens when you open two mumsnet windows at the same time.
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StewieGriffinsMom Thu 24-Feb-11 08:08:58
I think it's fairly obvious how little respect UKIP has for women when its supporters and party members have spent the past two days belittling and insulting Mumsnetters on twitter and on blogs. They certainly don't seem to consider the possibility that the women of Mumsnet are educated, literate and more than capable of critically analysing texts.
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 08:48:24
Agree SGM. It's very interesting that they assume we're completely incapable of reading their literature and coming to an informed opinion. I'm sure Nigel will be delighted that his supporters have done such a good job of alienating and patronising mumsnetters.
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 08:55:58
I'm 100% sure that you could go and find turds that support all the different parties that don't reflect the parties actual views, and because there might have possibly been one of UKIP's here it doesn't make UKIP sexist so stop trying to use childish foot stamping techniques that play up to peoples emotions like screaming racist or sexist.
And the 5 year freeze is just on settlement rights so we can find out who's here legally, it won't hinder anyone coming over to work on a permit temporarily.
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 08:57:12
FYI rinseoff: we were talking about you (among others).
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DillyDaydreaming Thu 24-Feb-11 09:03:10
Will people come for low paid work if it's just temporarily though? Please do not think I am being diffiult but this is a legitimate concern. These jobs are low paid, demanding physically, mentally and emotionlly. I'd rather see people coming willingly to care knowing thay they may get settlement rights than vacancies being left unfilled bcause there is no incentive to come here.
Our very low paid jobs ARE filled often by immigrants of many ntionalities coing to the UK for a variety of reasons. I understand the need to see "who is here" but jus think that could be managed in a different way.
Those here illegally for whatever reason are a different matter.
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Mormonkris Thu 24-Feb-11 09:07:42
God bless Alex Jones!
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 09:27:15
SGM and Damsel - exactly. We're clearly 'ignorant'. Not capable of disagreement or of highlighting the flaws in their arguments but 'ignorant'.
I'm interested in Rinseoff's response, too which just develops this: we're 'childish', using 'foot-stamping' techniques - therefore incapable of rational thought and we need to simply accept what we're being told . The same tired old gender hierarchy being trotted out time and again...
PS MormonKris, I'll ask again. Are you a registered UK voter?
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MmeLindt Thu 24-Feb-11 09:31:25
I am interested in the Immigration rights of those married to British citizens, as I have found no mention of it on the website. Would a foreign born spouse be allowed to move to UK under the UKIP proposal?
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DollyTwat Thu 24-Feb-11 09:58:03
the SMP being abolished along with sick pay would be a concern of many on this board I would think.
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midnightexpress Thu 24-Feb-11 10:15:47
I wonder whether it would be possible to compile a list of the actual questions asked on this thread before Mr Farage arrives? I'd hate him to miss any of them, especially those from proper MNers (as opposed to the folk who've drifted in from the UKIP site for the chat).
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Thu 24-Feb-11 10:28:07
DillyDaydreaming - very good question.
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 10:28:29
I'll repost my question here:
Mr Farage, how do you propose to go about promoting 'one culture for all' and who decides what that culture will be?
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 10:35:32
I'll second cakeywakey's question. How are you going to isolate and enforce a singular 'British' culture, when no such thing has ever existed?
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whomovedmychocolate Thu 24-Feb-11 10:40:55
Jeez, I wish I could join you today but I'll be watching The Wright Stuff followed by the Vanessa show on Fiver - let's face it, it's more likely to be peaceful than this webchat grin
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MmeLindt Thu 24-Feb-11 10:45:27
My question to Nigel
So, we have all had a bit of fun with your supporters but I would like to address a question to you.
I was appalled to read these statistics which showed that
an astounding 59% of British citizens think that immigration is too high
Asked to estimate the proportion of foreign-born people living in the UK, the average guess is 29.4%. The true figure according to OECD data is 10.8%
Around a quarter of Brits don't think any migrant should be allowed to access the NHS (25%) or state schools (22%), even if they are here legally
80% of British citizens do not think that children whose parents have brought them to UK illegally should be allowed to go to school. Or use NHS resources.
Does reading a statement like that make you ashamed that your party has contributed to the culture of fear of immigration?
Do you take the responsibility for rise in intolerance in the British culture?
I feel ashamed to read those statistics. Ashamed to be British. How does that fit in with your hope of making Britain a country to be proud of?
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whomovedmychocolate Thu 24-Feb-11 10:46:49
MmeLindt - where do these statistics come from - they sound outrageous. shock
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MmeLindt Thu 24-Feb-11 10:46:53
Could we repost our questions here and move the general discussion to this thread
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MmeLindt Thu 24-Feb-11 10:47:36
Statistics
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ScramVonChubby Thu 24-Feb-11 10:48:11
I need to choose a querstion from all my meandering posts.
Hmm.
1) WHy would I, as Mum to 4 chidlren with varying degrees of SN (ds4 probably, undiagnosed but quite obvious to an educated eye) vote for a party that has a mean joke about disability discrimination and Rudolph come up when I try and search for disability policy on the website?
2) As a part time studying part time employed carer married to a part time employed full time studying partner, how would we alaso omplete the workfare demanded in your manifesto for the snall percentage of housing benefit we will receive until we qualify?
3) My two autistic sons botha ttend a Base which is midway between ful;l inclusion and a specialist unit; do you support those or should they attend a special school distiinct from the mainstream provision?
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Thu 24-Feb-11 10:48:56
Re-posting mine as well:
Can you explain your parental leave policy in your manifesto? It is not clear to me.
"The impact on small businesses [of EU maternity pay legislation] is disproportionately damaging...many SMEs are understandably nervous about employing young women, or try not to promote them to key positions.
UKIP proposes to vastly simplify this legislation. It would be up to each employer to decide whether to offer parental leave and this would be one of the items included in the standard employment contract (see above). An SME which refuses to offer parental leave will either have to offer young women higher salaries than other businesses which offer a long leave period or they will simply have to recruit from a smaller pool of potential employees.
Here.
I interpret this as meaning that UKIP will exempt small and medium businesses (which according to you are responsible for 55% of employees in the UK) from statutory maternity leave and pay. Is this the correct interpretation?
See y'all at one.
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StewieGriffinsMom Thu 24-Feb-11 10:55:46
I would like to know your definition of 'Celtic'' and why it is different from British culture? How do you define British culture? Have you read any Linda Colley? What about other academic writings on nationalism and identity?
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whomovedmychocolate Thu 24-Feb-11 10:59:11
Thank you MmeLindt - so 1003 people who were called or visited to get this information - 1003 out of the whole population of the UK. Let's say those figures are right shall we.
an astounding 59% of British citizens think that immigration is too high
and yet most of us rely on that immigration to get basic services done, whether food production, agriculture or healthcare.
Asked to estimate the proportion of foreign-born people living in the UK, the average guess is 29.4%. The true figure according to OECD data is 10.8% - The level of legitimate permanent residents is 10.8%. Well if you asked me how many people from the EU were living in the UK I couldn't estimate that accurately either, or the percentage of people who were of a particular race who were UK citizens. People aren't very good at estimating. Which is all this demonstrates.
Around a quarter of Brits don't think any migrant should be allowed to access the NHS (25%) or state schools (22%), even if they are here legally
Ooh about 250 people are a bit racist - wow that's a shocker wink
80% of British citizens do not think that children whose parents have brought them to UK illegally should be allowed to go to school. Or use NHS resources.
Or to put that another way 80% of people do not believe using fraudulent means to obtain advantage is a bad thing and 20% didn't understand the badly worded question.
Not so shocking really.
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Janzen Thu 24-Feb-11 11:04:55
Two questions:
- Do you agree with various EU Treaty provisions and Directives related to gender equality, including (1) equal access to employment; (2) equal pay; (3) maternity protection; (4) parental leave; (5) social security and occupational social security; and (6) the burden of proof in discrimination cases and self-employment?
- Since a decisions by a Member State to leave the EU cannot be made in the European Parliament (but must be made by national governments/parliaments), then why are you a member of a body where you cannot achieve your primary political objective? Since
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scottishmummy Thu 24-Feb-11 11:10:11
please do answer my question Mr Farage,1st on posted and all that
you regularly misrepresent statistics eg you said europe now makes 75% uk laws.this is untrue.do you use such tactics to incite indignation and create misplaced ire?
will read later back to work
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MmeLindt Thu 24-Feb-11 11:10:35
WMMC
I do think it is shocking that casual racism in 25% of the surveyed people is apparent. And that 80% of Brits do not think that children of immigrants should have the right to basic services such as schooling and medication. These are children. Not adults trying to cheat the system. Don't we have a responsibility to them? If you want to debate it more, please head over to the other thread as I don't want to clutter up this thread.
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unpsychicsally Thu 24-Feb-11 11:25:28
Did your life flash before you when you had the plane crash and would you ever (or have you ever) fly in a light aircraft after that?
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Hectess Thu 24-Feb-11 11:25:46
How would you reassure people that your party embraces diversity?
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VenetiaLanyon Thu 24-Feb-11 11:33:14
Hi Nigel,
What would be the 5 most important things that you would change about this country if in power to achieve your vision of "uniculturalism"?
Do you ever consider that you are suffering from a kind of nostalgic ignorance, in that you are trying to turn the clock back to a past that this country has never had and has never wanted? Our whole history has been of different peoples coming to this land, bringing new ideas, and, in time, integrating; your idea of one unifying Britishness sounds terribly naive and misplaced to me; our diversity is a joy and a strength.
Thanks smile
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VenetiaLanyon Thu 24-Feb-11 11:36:41
Another one; would you describe yourself as a feminist?
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Janzen Thu 24-Feb-11 11:46:51
Question:
I am a US citizen married to a UK citizen. We are expecting our first child who will be born in the UK. Since moving to the UK three years ago, I have worked full-time (and pay the highest income tax rate). Do you think I should have a right to become a UK citizen? What if I decide to quit my job and become a full-time mom? Do you think I should still be eligible for UK citizenship?
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 11:56:32
Thank you for this, MmeLindt .
My question for Nigel was originally posted by Captain Nancy:
How do you defend Godfrey Bloom MEP heckling the German MEP Martin Schulz with the words "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer" last November?"
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tabulahrasa Thu 24-Feb-11 12:01:16
Hi
I've got some questions about your education policies...
"UKIP will make sure that Schools teach the three Rs effectively as this provides young children with the proper foundation for their school careers."
How exactly do you propose to do that? To me that sounds like a completely vague statement designed to appeal to people with no understanding of the education system, which teaching system is it that you're objecting to? No political party states that they want to make education worse, so other than the implication that education isn't what it used to be, what is it you are going to do to improve it?
"UKIP will abandon the policy of ‘inclusion’ and allow parents to choose special schools for children with learning disabilities."
What need is there to abandon inclusion? The problems with inclusion are not always about a lack of special schools at all, but more usually about a lack of funding. Wouldn't the needs of disabled children be better served by making sure that inclusion is better funded and properly delivered rather than segregating a section of society?
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 12:13:05
You could also ask: how exactly will bringing back corporeal punishment improve our school system? And I do mean how, I want an explanation (based in firm, reliable research evidence) that this form of discipline improves behaviour in schools, not some empty rhetoric.
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atrociouscook Thu 24-Feb-11 12:34:06
Nigel
I thinm you're a lovely guy - so cheerful and full of energy with an engaging smile. Why don't you join the Lib Dems, change some of your opinions and get to the top? You are wasted in UKIP and I'm sure you can't really believe all that they stand for?
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 12:43:08
Because the LibDems are all lying career politicians and are also eager to push through a united states of Europe?
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 12:51:15
Test
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LeninGrad Thu 24-Feb-11 12:54:11
It will be.
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 12:54:28
Nardwuar the Human Serviette (born John Ruskin, July 5, 1968) is a Canadian celebrity interviewer and musician from Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.[1] He is the lead singer and keyboardist for The Evaporators and plays in Thee Goblins.
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 12:55:18
ROFL at LeninGrad
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 12:55:42
Rinseoff: why don't you let Nigel do the talking, before you embarrass him further?
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JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 24-Feb-11 12:56:54
Ok so Nigel Farage is here at Mumsnet Towers in the hot seat. He'll be getting going in a minute or two.
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 12:56:55
Wow please don't be that witty.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 12:58:10
Hello,
A big thanks to Mumsnet for inviting me on. You have now become the most feared political audience in the country - I'm braced and ready, fire away!
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 12:58:41
How many marshmallows can you fit in your mouth?
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Thu 24-Feb-11 12:58:51
Hi Nigel!
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DollyTwat Thu 24-Feb-11 12:59:19
why did you ask to come on MN?
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 12:59:43
LydiaDustin
In light of some of the posts above I would like to ask Nigel how he can help dispel the theory some people have that UKIP & the BNP are the same when clearly they are not. I?m guessing there is no easy answer to this though.
I would also like to ask how he thinks voting for yes to AV will help UKIP because I can?t see how it will.
Let's make one thing absolutely clear, that UKIP is, always has been and always will be a non-racist, non-sectarian party. There have been repeated attempts through the early years of the party to smear us, but nobody in the British press believes it anymore.
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ZeroMinusZero Thu 24-Feb-11 13:00:34
My question for Nigel is-
Do you think David Cameron is euroskeptic on any level? And would you consider going into a coalition with him, should the unlikely scenario materialise?
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ZeroMinusZero Thu 24-Feb-11 13:00:34
My question for Nigel is-
Do you think David Cameron is euroskeptic on any level? And would you consider going into a coalition with him, should the unlikely scenario materialise?
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:01:27
hymie
Mr Farage,
What do you think you can do to distance your party from the perceived 'common ground' it has with extremist parties like the BNP ?
In terms of political philosophy, UKIP and the BNP are polls apart. They are authoritarian, we are Libertarian. They are protectionist, we are pro-free trade. We want less government in our lives, they want more. They are a racist party, and we are not. Lastly, they are anti-Europe, we are pro-Europe but anti-EU.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:02:38
ZeroMinusZero
My question for Nigel is-
Do you think David Cameron is euroskeptic on any level? And would you consider going into a coalition with him, should the unlikely scenario materialise?
David Cameron is utterly committed to our membership of political union with the EU so much so that he doesn't even want to give us a referendum on the subject. If in the future there was the possibility of a coalition with him, we would demand a referendum on our EU membership.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:03:23
scottishmummy
Nigel,you regularly misrepresent statistics eg you said europe now makes 75% uk laws.this is untrue.do you use such tactics to incite indignation and create misplaced ire?
i am working thursday but will follow thread
Hi Scottishmummy, Former German President Roman Herzgog commissioned research into the percentage of the German national laws that originated in EU and came up with the 74%. Maybe I overstated 1 percent.
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LeninGrad Thu 24-Feb-11 13:03:23
What do you think of the decision to extradite Assange?
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BarbaraSeville Thu 24-Feb-11 13:03:39
So what is the difference between UKIP and the BNP apart from the with/without whippet dilemma?
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LydiaDustbin2 Thu 24-Feb-11 13:04:35
Nigel,
Thanks for anwering my question.smileI UKIP are totally different to the BNP but some people take some convincing.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:04:39
DollyTwat
why did you ask to come on MN?
Because I thought that if I could survive this, I could survive everything! And also because of the biscuits. smile
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 13:05:14
Follow up from scottishmummy's question:
You're talking about estimated percentages of german laws there. Germany is not the uk. On what uk evidence do you base your claim?
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BarbaraSeville Thu 24-Feb-11 13:05:53
I'd stay away from the ice cream if I were you.
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unpsychicsally Thu 24-Feb-11 13:06:13
What is your favourite biscuit? smile biscuit
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:06:13
LeninGrad
What do you think of the decision to extradite Assange?
I'm very worried that the European arrest warrant is being used for political purposes and I'm unsatisfied that any proper prima facie evidence has been given in the space.
The last person that I was involved with on an EAW was called Andrew Symeou who has now been sitting in a Greek prison since last July and is yet to face change. And he's 21 years old.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:07:32
TondelayoSchwarzkopf
Also - do you realise how expensive our food would be without the CAP? Milk especially is heavily subsidised.
All foodstuffs would be considerably cheaper outside the EU which would be a huge benefit to consumers, a potential benefit to the Third World, they may leave some British farmers with a headache.
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BarbaraSeville Thu 24-Feb-11 13:07:38
If he changed, would they let him out?
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 13:08:23
What would you do in terms of defence and the treatment of our armed forces if we elected you?
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:08:33
SpeedyGonzalez
Nigel Farage, why does your name sound French? Are you actually a continental European in disguise?
How dare you! grin
The original spelling of the name was Faridge but changed at a wedding in 1840 to its current spelling. Don't ask me why, suspect the family was always fairly uneducated.
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LeninGrad Thu 24-Feb-11 13:08:41
Not what the judge says, he was absolutely scathing in dismissing the whole defence case, thanks for answering though.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:09:34
HannahHack
Do you agree with EU regulations on medicines and patient safety?
Hannahack, hello. No I don’t agree with additional EU regulation. We have enough national regulation and we don’t need more EU regulation.
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DollyTwat Thu 24-Feb-11 13:09:41
thanks for answering, not sure you've survived yet though!
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FannyFifer Thu 24-Feb-11 13:11:11
Are you embarrassed by the behaviour of members of your party on this thread?
Why do you think your party attracts mainly men, certainly from what I have seen in Fife at hustings meetings etc the majority of UKIP members seems to be rude men, who lack any sort of insight into local issues and just go along to heckle other candidates.
How would you attract women to your party??
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:12:11
Rinseoffmycustard
What would you do in terms of defence and the treatment of our armed forces if we elected you?
I'm appalled at the extent of the government's defense cuts. What we need right now is an aircraft carrier with helicopters and combat air support off Libya.
Our government's own strategic defense review says: (page 8)
"In the short term, there are few circumstances we can envisage where the ability to deploy air power from the sea will be essential."
This shows how out of touch they are.
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Thu 24-Feb-11 13:12:17
Thanks Nigel but that was a rhetorical remark I made to another poster (FYI I have my disagreements with CAP and the conduct of trade with developing countries is part of it) - my actual question is about Maternity Leave. I hope you can answer it.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:13:33
huddspur
How would you repair the diplomatic damage with our closest neighbours and trading partners that would be caused by our withdrawal from the EU?
We want to trade with Europe, cooperate with Europe, sit round the table and agree common minimum standards but not be governed by Mr Van Rompuy and his undemocratic institutions.
We would also be free to reengage fully with the rest of the world.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:14:51
Hectess
How would you reassure people that your party embraces diversity?
10% of our candidates in the European elections were Black or Asian. So far we only two nominations in to stand for UKIP as London Mayor, and again, both are from ethnic minorities.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:15:49
TondelayoSchwarzkopf
Re-posting mine as well:
Can you explain your parental leave policy in your manifesto? It is not clear to me.
"The impact on small businesses [of EU maternity pay legislation] is disproportionately damaging...many SMEs are understandably nervous about employing young women, or try not to promote them to key positions.
UKIP proposes to vastly simplify this legislation. It would be up to each employer to decide whether to offer parental leave and this would be one of the items included in the standard employment contract (see above). An SME which refuses to offer parental leave will either have to offer young women higher salaries than other businesses which offer a long leave period or they will simply have to recruit from a smaller pool of potential employees.
Here.
I interpret this as meaning that UKIP will exempt small and medium businesses (which according to you are responsible for 55% of employees in the UK) from statutory maternity leave and pay. Is this the correct interpretation?
See y'all at one.
TonydelayoSchwarzkopf, hello again. All I am saying is there should be less legislations impacting on SMEs. They should be left alone to create more jobs. I fully support women rights and women rights and parental leave existed in the UK even before EU legislation. They should just stop creating more legislative burden.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:17:21
FannyFifer
Are you embarrassed by the behaviour of members of your party on this thread?
Why do you think your party attracts mainly men, certainly from what I have seen in Fife at hustings meetings etc the majority of UKIP members seems to be rude men, who lack any sort of insight into local issues and just go along to heckle other candidates.
How would you attract women to your party??
Yes, I am embarrassed by it. If they weren't members of Mumsnet before, they should have left well alone.
In response to your other question, I think politics tend to attract more men than women as candidates - also, as a voluntary party, I think men are more selfish, and quite happy to spend their money on election deposits and leaflets grin.
But of course I want more women to get elected for us, but I don't believe in positive discrimination or Cameron-style A-listing. I find all of that frankly, very demeaning.
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claig Thu 24-Feb-11 13:18:35
What are your views on climate change and recycling? Do we really need so many bins?
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givemushypeasachance Thu 24-Feb-11 13:18:39
In your opinion at what point do you become English/British - is it automatic if you are born of British parents even if you are born in Paris or Sydney? Or what if your parents are foreign citizens but you are born in the UK? What if you are foregin born but have lived in the UK for 10 years, 20 years, 50 years? When do you stop becoming an immigrant who should "go home and stop taking our jobs" and become a member of the "home team"?
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LadyBlaBlah Thu 24-Feb-11 13:18:45
Good question from Fannyfifer - you don't seem to attract many women to your party - it is very male dominated - ideology wise as well as physically.
Do you see some inherently
aggressive
divisive policies might be the reason for this?
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crazymum53 Thu 24-Feb-11 13:19:09
Hello Nigel
My question is about the European court of Human rights. I am very relieved that the UK government voted against giving prisoners a vote. But shouldn't this institution be putting the rights of law-abiding citizens first before those of criminals ? what would the UKIP do ?
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:19:15
Mormonkris
Don't get me wrong about feminism. I'm all for women exercising their right to be mothers and homemakers. My 22-year-old great-grandmother was absent from the 1911 census, which strongly suggests that she was a suffragette. She went on to become a wife, mother, grandmother etc who held her family together despite difficult circumstances.
The modern feminist movement has been taken over by angry socialists who hate men. They bare no resemblance to the feminists of old.
My church has some very good, family friendly policies.
http://lds.org/library/display/0,4945,161-1-11-1,FF.htmlhttp://lds.org/library/display…tml
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Perhaps you can ask Nigel what kind of common sense, family friendly policies UKIP has.
Hello, Mormonkris. I hope this was said in the jest. I am strong advocate of women rights, and don’t agree with these views.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:19:33
atrociouscook
Nigel
I thinm you're a lovely guy - so cheerful and full of energy with an engaging smile. Why don't you join the Lib Dems, change some of your opinions and get to the top? You are wasted in UKIP and I'm sure you can't really believe all that they stand for?
The Lib Dems had this wonderful image for years of being 'nice' but nobody ever knew what they really stood for! Now they're in government, they're prospects are not quite so rosy. My aim is for UKIP to overtake the Lib Dems. Perhaps some of them might come and join us?
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 13:20:39
Why do you think that the EU is a big enough problem that it should affect how we vote in the next general election?
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:20:55
Janzen
Question:
I am a US citizen married to a UK citizen. We are expecting our first child who will be born in the UK. Since moving to the UK three years ago, I have worked full-time (and pay the highest income tax rate). Do you think I should have a right to become a UK citizen? What if I decide to quit my job and become a full-time mom? Do you think I should still be eligible for UK citizenship?
Our policy on extending citizenship is that we first need to sort out the current mess we're in. We don't know within a couple of million people how many people actually live here legally.
You will of course be welcome to stay, but we should not be issuing new citizenships until we first sort out the mess.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:22:22
crazymum53
Hello Nigel
My question is about the European court of Human rights. I am very relieved that the UK government voted against giving prisoners a vote. But shouldn't this institution be putting the rights of law-abiding citizens first before those of criminals ? what would the UKIP do ?
I too feel very strongly about the votes for prisoners issue. Parliament voted against giving prisoners the vote, not the UK government. In fact all that vote has done, is to demonstrate the impotence of our own parliament.
All the while, we've remained signed up to European treaties - there is nothing, repeat, nothing that we can do.
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LadyBlaBlah Thu 24-Feb-11 13:22:34
Farage wrote: ", hello again. All I am saying is there should be less legislations impacting on SMEs. They should be left alone to create more jobs. I fully support women rights and women rights and parental leave existed in the UK even before EU legislation. They should just stop creating more legislative burden."
It is only legislative burden if you are a cock and discriminate against people/women.
Why would any reasonable business owner be worried about the sort of legislation you describe....unless of course they are using the more vulnerable situation many women find themselves in for cheap and insecure labour?
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:22:46
jeanvaljean
Nigel: UKIPs policy on Climate Change is to "Establish a Royal Commission to determine the truth about man-made global warming". Can you explain why the overwhelming opinion of the global scientific community is not enough for UKIP? You surely realise that any "Royal Commission" would be the target for lobbyists and would only increase the disinformation already foisted on the public by big business?
UKIPs stance on climate change is rather depressing.
Hi jeanvaljean. Most of the data currently used is produced by IPCC. However, it is little known that IPCC was established to prove climate change. No attempts were made to find objective answer. There are now many voices in the scientific community saying that CO2 emissions do not cause global warming. It is very costly for our industry, and to all of us consumers (hike in electricity and gas prices) to pay for one sided argument.
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jonicomelately Thu 24-Feb-11 13:23:19
I don't think Nigel is going to answer my earlier question so I wonder if it's OK to ask this?
Is the experience of being the leader of UKIP like herding cats?
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CaptainNancy Thu 24-Feb-11 13:23:25
>>10% of our candidates in the European elections were Black or Asian. So far we only two nominations in to stand for UKIP as London Mayor, and again, both are from ethnic minorities.
Yes, lovely, but diversity means more than people of Black and Asian origin- what about people with disabilities, what about the gayz and the wimminz?
And really- what are your party's policies around diversity which I think Hectess was actually getting at?
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 13:23:40
Why do we need an aircraft carrier off the shores of Libya Mr Farage? Our military are already fighting wars and supporting peacekeeping missions across the world. We do not, and cannot, be involved in every crisis point across the world surely?
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fathercandle Thu 24-Feb-11 13:24:12
Just to make sure NigelFarage doesn't get away with it: the 75% figure is just gibberish, taken out of context (no "survey" involved). More facts in the link but a more honest figure would be between 10% and 20%.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:24:17
claig
What are your views on climate change and recycling? Do we really need so many bins?
I think the jury is out on whether CO2 emissions are leading to global warming. In fact, since 1998 temperatures have reduced slightly.
However, I'm in favour of recycling, if it actually happens! Under the current rules, the mere fact that waste has been separated counts towards recycling targets. Even if then, the whole lot was sent to China and put in a landfill site.
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DillyDaydreaming Thu 24-Feb-11 13:24:39
Donknow if you saw my question further down igel but it's with regard to the immigration freeze and the need to fill low paid often unrewarding jobs in the UKsuch as care home workers. How would you deal with the inevitable shortage of staff an immigration freeze might eventually cvause? Am thinking nobody will come just for temporary wrk to do these jobs - it's not like seasonal work and many unemployed would choose not to do the work in care homes.
Subject is close to my heart as my grandmother is cared for in a nursing home by people of many nationalities - and cared for very ell I might add. Many of these people might want to remain in the UK and have taken work here in the hope of being able to do so -just cannot see them coming in for temporary work.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:24:51
elkiedee
My question(s): What do you think about the movement for democracy in so many countries in North Africa and the Middle East? Do you not think these people, of various faiths, are bravely setting an example of standing up for their rights? What attitude should the British government take towards them?
Hello, Elkiedee. British Government is in dreadful position here. New Labour was very friendly with Gaddafi regime. Cameron continued the tradition. Now, we are in position where we do not have aircraft carriers nor aircrafts for support to evacuate British citizens. Any movement for democracy is very encouraging. I just hope for peaceful transition.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:25:18
jonicomelately
I don't think Nigel is going to answer my earlier question so I wonder if it's OK to ask this?
Is the experience of being the leader of UKIP like herding cats?
Yes! By definition, people in UKIP are strong-minded, single-minded, individualistic and often totally impossible - thank goodness, they're human beings! Not cardboard cutouts.
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 13:25:53
UKIP is, always has been and always will be a non-racist, non-sectarian party
I know you deny ever saying to Alan Sked (UKIP’s founder leader, 1993-1997) that we will never win the nigger vote. The nig-nogs will never vote for us. Although Alan Sked says you did hmm
Robert Kilroy-Silk a former member wrote in the Daily Express in 2004: They (Muslims) are backward and evil and if it is racist to say so… then racist I must be - and happy and proud to be so.
There’s also been a lot of cross-over in membership between UKIP and the BNP hasn’t there?
How many members exactly have you had to expel for BNP activity or former membership of the BNP? They still seem to be drawn to your party, don’t they? In November a judge had to overturn the decision of the Stockton branch to expel Alan Hardy for former membership of the BNP.
If you’re not a racist party, why:
1. does your party cosy up to overtly racist parties in the European Parliament, such as the Northern League?
2. Invite the racist Dutch politican Geert Wilders (who has called for the Koran to be banned to come to this country as a guest of your former leader, although he was banned by the Home Office on the grounds that he would incite hatred and endanger public security. (the ban was overturned and your party and those charmers the English Defence League feted him recently)
3. Did one of your ruling executive council, David Abbott, give money to the BNP and met Nick Griffin:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1544527/Revealed-U kip-official-gave-money-to-the-BNP.html
(and you said at the time that you knew all about it.)
There are plenty more examples I can cite, aren’t there?
To have one or two brushes with out-and-out racists might be regarded as unfortunate but in your case there’s definitely a pattern isn’t there? If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 13:26:07
Can you really not understand why to some of us racism seems to run through UKIP like lettering through seaside rock?
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:26:39
unpsychicsally
Did your life flash before you when you had the plane crash and would you ever (or have you ever) fly in a light aircraft after that?
I've learned one thing from the crash, that it isn't dying that's frightening - it's the method! I was resigned as the plane went down, but then, trapped in the wreckage, covered in fuel oil, thinking that we were going to burn to death, and I was absolutely terrified.
I will not be going near light aircraft ever again, and have refused to do a sponsored skydive...
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fathercandle Thu 24-Feb-11 13:26:41
You state:
However, it is little known that IPCC was established to prove climate change
Can you back up this assertion? Or provide any evidence to contradict their stated aims and objectives?
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:26:49
jonicomelately
I would like to ask a very simple question.
Your main objection to the EU appears to be on the grounds that it is expensive. Whenever I see UKIP election literature it seems to focus mainly on how much the EU costs. Is this your primary objection to the EU?
Lots of things in life are expensive, my car and house for example, but I still find them pretty useful.
Isn't the price we pay worthwhile for a united and peaceful Europe?
Hello, jonicomelately. My answer is No. My primary objection is the loss of democracy and loss of the ability to determine our future through the ballot box. Cost is not the primary objection.
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Thu 24-Feb-11 13:27:36
Why is it a legislative burden? The pregnant woman fills in a MAT B1 (and usually IME does the maternity cover recruiting themselves - CREATING a job) and your accountant includes the maternity leave provision in your annual tax returns that you have to do anyway - job done.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:28:17
fathercandle
Just to make sure NigelFarage doesn't get away with it: the 75% figure is just gibberish, taken out of context (no "survey" involved). More facts in the link but a more honest figure would be between 10% and 20%.
http://fullfact.org/factchecks/express_europe_EU_legislation_proportion-2466http://fullfact.org/factchecks…466
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Even the government admits that over half our laws are made in the EU, so your figure of 10-20% is baloney.
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 13:28:39
Just wanted to post my question again:
Mr Farage, how do you propose to go about promoting 'one culture for all' and who decides what that culture will be?
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fathercandle Thu 24-Feb-11 13:28:41
In fact, since 1998 temperatures have reduced slightly.
Again, this is simply not true. How can the leader of a political party expect to get away with stating total falsehoods?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 13:29:13
'Yes, I am embarrassed by it. If they weren't members of Mumsnet before, they should have left well alone.'
Good. Because I think it reflects very badly on Mr Staveley and Gawain Towler, UKIP's Press Officer that they should behave in this way.
I do hope you will have words with them. hmm
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:29:27
scaryteacher
I would like to know how it would work practically coming out of the EU. Will it attempt to fine us; hold on to us at all?
Could we just follow the lead of many other nations, including Belgium, in that most just ignore EU legislation when it comes out and carry on as they were anyway?
What are your views on the EAS? Do you think that Baroness Ashton should be kicked into touch and who should replace her?
Scaryteacher, that is a long question. Switzerland and Norway have free trade relations with EU and are doing very well. I want the same for UK. Nobody would lose anything and EU countries anyway sell more to us than we sell to them.
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glasnost Thu 24-Feb-11 13:30:03
Nigel, why are you in an umbrella group in the European parliament with overtly racist xenophobic parties such as the Northern League, Slovak National Party etc?
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:30:06
complimentary
Question.
Nigel Farage, How do you think you will be able to ensure that we get a referendum on the EU?
Your party was set up in 1992. How has it grown since that time and in what way? Considering you had a very big turnout at the last election, and polled over 900.000 votes. Would you change how you do things at present to encourage people to join the party, or vote for you?
The only way we will get a referendum is if we put the fear of god into the establishment. In 2009, UKIP came 2nd in the European elections. In 2014, we intend to win, and intend to go into 2015 (probably) general election with 650 candidates, and a strong message. That should make them listen, and get us what we deserve - which is the chance to have our say!
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 13:30:17
Can you provide evidence that most of the very numerous scientists whose work supports the anthropogenic carbon emissions argument in the climate change debate are formally affiliated with the IPCC?
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:31:25
longfingernails
Hello Nigel,
You are a great advocate for Britain - keep it up!
I will continue voting Tory for the time being - the deficit is our most pressing priority - but empathise heavily with your views.
The areas where I am most disappointed with Cameron is over Europe.
My question is: do you think you have ever been successful in shifting the Overton window on Europe? As far as I can see, UKIP have no specific achievement they can point to other than good success in elections themselves - perhaps to be expected, given the farcical way the EU Parliament works - but still. The most you can hope for at the moment is to pressure other parties into hardening their views.
Do you feel Cameron's more hawkish stance towards the ECHR is partly due to UKIP's influence?
Well done again!
PS I hope you are all recovered after your plane incident!
Thank you longfingernails. Cameron is just posing now. He is truly terrified that many Conservatives will support UKIP over these issues and he wants to prevent that. It is nothing more than posturing.
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unpsychicsally Thu 24-Feb-11 13:31:27
I'd never heard of you before (sorry) but the pictures did make me cry. Thank god you are ok, what a terrible experience for you.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:31:32
cakeywakey
Why do we need an aircraft carrier off the shores of Libya Mr Farage? Our military are already fighting wars and supporting peacekeeping missions across the world. We do not, and cannot, be involved in every crisis point across the world surely?
This is a question of priorities. Rescuing your own people from dangerous situations across the world is exactly what the Foreign Office backed up by the military is supposed to do.
I do agree with you, though, that we've got ourselves involved in far too many wars over the last few years.
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LadyBlaBlah Thu 24-Feb-11 13:31:36
Has anyone ever compared you to Alan B'stard?
Just wondered
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Psammead Thu 24-Feb-11 13:31:55
In which actual, tangible ways would you say the UK has suffered as a result of being a member of the EU?
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 13:31:58
Why do you think that your European election results were not translated into parliamentary seats?
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 13:31:59
Can I repost this again, to bust this myth once and for all.
Just to make sure NigelFarage doesn't get away with it: the 75% figure is just gibberish, taken out of context (no "survey" involved). More facts in the link but a more honest figure would be between 10% and 20%.
NIGEL, over here, dear...
http://fullfact.org/factchecks…466
WIll you now accept your figure is incorrect and desist from repeating it in future?
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 13:32:19
Sorry, should have read: Why do you think that your European election results were not translated into parliamentary seats at the general election?
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crazymum53 Thu 24-Feb-11 13:32:51
So what you are saying is that the parliament vote is worthless and that prisoners can claim compensation when their victims are still suffering. And all this is because of the Maastrict treaty- we have signed our rights away and there is nothing we can do !
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Thu 24-Feb-11 13:33:11
Can we have a list of those numerous people in the scientific community who dispute AGW?
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:33:42
DillyDaydreaming
Donknow if you saw my question further down igel but it's with regard to the immigration freeze and the need to fill low paid often unrewarding jobs in the UKsuch as care home workers. How would you deal with the inevitable shortage of staff an immigration freeze might eventually cvause? Am thinking nobody will come just for temporary wrk to do these jobs - it's not like seasonal work and many unemployed would choose not to do the work in care homes.
Subject is close to my heart as my grandmother is cared for in a nursing home by people of many nationalities - and cared for very ell I might add. Many of these people might want to remain in the UK and have taken work here in the hope of being able to do so -just cannot see them coming in for temporary work.
If we need people to work in the NHS, or care homes, and they need to come from abroad then of course, we'll operate a proper work permit system.
But, there are many British people who would take those jobs if they weren't so heavily taxed on relatively low incomes. This is why we support no tax on the minimum wage, and an end to an open door immigration policy, to Eastern Europe in particular.
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fathercandle Thu 24-Feb-11 13:34:01
Even the government admits that over half our laws are made in the EU, so your figure of 10-20% is baloney.
"last month the British Chambers of Commerce produced a report ... “Worlds Apart: The British and EU Regulatory Systems” ... Their conclusion?"
"In terms of the number of regulations, the EU this year accounted for only 20%. The reduction from the previous EU level of about 30% is the primary reason for the overall decline in 2007/8."
Seriously, this is "five minutes with google" stuff. David Cameron's "almost half" quote (which I guess you're misrepresenting here) applied only to certain business legislation laws.
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MmeLindt Thu 24-Feb-11 13:34:15
Why does everyone hold up Switzerland as a model to be followed and admired?
I live in Switzerland and it is bloody expensive.
Would UK citizens be happy to pay £20 for 4 chicken breasts and £1 for a litre of milk, like I do here?
I also pay tax on any imported goods from EU.
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fathercandle Thu 24-Feb-11 13:34:31
Sorry, source for my last quote:
http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/06/03/what-percentage-of-our-laws-actually-come-from-the-eu/http://liberalconspiracy.org/2…eu/
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 13:34:42
Surely it would be a waste of military resources to go into Libya though when civilian solutions are available and being used. Also, in the case of many British people in Libya, shouldn't their employer also bear responsibility for getting them home?
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 13:34:57
Can we have a list specifying the funding sources of the climate-sceptics' research too? Given that the IPCC is some kind of conspiracy and all.
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 13:35:53
Is the UKIP authority on climate change still Graham Booth, who according to your own supporters got the post on the strength of 'an "O" level in astronomy'?
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:35:53
glasnost
Nigel, why are you in an umbrella group in the European parliament with overtly racist xenophobic parties such as the Northern League, Slovak National Party etc?
Italian politics, and British politics are incredibly different. Just think, Ms Mussolini, Il Duce's granddaughter, still sits in the Italian parliament. Italian politics is also louder, more colourful, more confrontational, and possibly even sexier! (Which could be good or bad depending on how you look at it.)
In the European Parliament, all groups are strange, different cultural coalitions.
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LadyBlaBlah Thu 24-Feb-11 13:35:57
You described the EU as a “serial date rapist”: no matter how many times you say no, it only ever hears yes.
Do you enjoy making jokes out of rape and perpetuating rape myths?
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:37:01
LadyBlaBlah
You described the EU as a ?serial date rapist?: no matter how many times you say no, it only ever hears yes.
Do you enjoy making jokes out of rape and perpetuating rape myths?
I was referring to the rape of Europa - sometimes I know that using classical mythology can cause problems, and I certainly wasn't making a joke out of rape.
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 13:38:26
Can you please answer cakeywakey's 'one culture for all' question?
Exactly how are you going to define this singular British culture? Will it be allowed to change over time? And how are you going to enforce it?
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Thu 24-Feb-11 13:38:37
Hilarious - just called Italian politics 'sexier' when their PM is being charged with underage sex.
hmm hmm angry
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BarbaraSeville Thu 24-Feb-11 13:38:39
Are you saying that fascists are sexy? Or am I mixing you up with with that Formula One bloke? confused
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 13:38:46
You really don't like to deal in facts, do you Mr Farage? Just the usual half-truths and misrepresentations of any other politician...
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DorisIsAPinkDragon Thu 24-Feb-11 13:39:22
tondelayo- I had tyo reread that a few times - oh the irony!!!
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LadyBlaBlah Thu 24-Feb-11 13:39:47
Well, I beg to differ. You were clearly denigrating rape. It's quite sad that you can't see that. And admit it.
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 13:39:57
Yes, please could you tell us how you propose to go about promoting 'one culture for all' and who decides what that culture will be?
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:39:58
DamselInDisguise
Can you provide evidence that most of the very numerous scientists whose work supports the anthropogenic carbon emissions argument in the climate change debate are formally affiliated with the IPCC?
I am not suggesting that all scientists that argue in favour of AGW have worked for the IPCC, but it is equally true that there are many scientists who hold opposing, or rather more skeptical views. The point is that over the last decade, they haven't always had a fair hearing.
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 13:40:24
'Hilarious - just called Italian politics 'sexier' when their PM is being charged with underage sex. '
My thoughts exactly, Tondo. angry hmm
Goodness me, NF. You really are doijg a sterling job of winning us over
(PS Tondo, but it's ok. They're not racists. Because NF says so...) hmm
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BarbaraSeville Thu 24-Feb-11 13:40:52
How does your shoe leather taste right now?
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:41:10
cakeywakey
Sorry, should have read: Why do you think that your European election results were not translated into parliamentary seats at the general election?
European elections are contested on proportional representation, and UKIP has gone from nowhere to coming second. Our current first past the post general election system makes it very difficult for parties like us. And it's as simple as that.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:42:31
MmeLindt
Why does everyone hold up Switzerland as a model to be followed and admired?
I live in Switzerland and it is bloody expensive.
Would UK citizens be happy to pay £20 for 4 chicken breasts and £1 for a litre of milk, like I do here?
I also pay tax on any imported goods from EU.
Switzerland may be expensive, but it's also the wealthiest country in the European time zone. I'm jealous of Switzerland, even though it may be a little bit boring there. smile
They have the same terms of trade with all EU countries, without having to pay a membership fee of £50m a day and their people can hold a referendum on any subject they choose. Lucky them!
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CaptainNancy Thu 24-Feb-11 13:42:44
Is there any chance at all you'll get to my question posted on Wed 23-Feb-11 14:21:01 please?
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 13:42:45
Given that George W Bush actively sought out climate skeptics in order to justify his policy stance, I don't think it's fair to argue that there's been a conspiracy to silence them.
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Psammead Thu 24-Feb-11 13:42:55
Why is the Euro such a bad thing? It would bring more tourists to the UK from Europe due to the ease of not having to change money. It would make so many things easier. And it is strong and stable. What are your arguments against it?
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TanteRose Thu 24-Feb-11 13:43:00
LadyBlaBlah yes, re: Alan B'stard - here by Camilla Long in the Times last March (third paragraph down
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Thu 24-Feb-11 13:43:03
Absolutely madam - just love those sexist / xenophobic stereotypes as Italians as passionate, gesticulating latin lovers.
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glasnost Thu 24-Feb-11 13:43:06
So you'd be prepared to ally your party with any undemocratic, odious, subversive party then such as the Northern League in the name of "vive la difference"? (Pardon my french). And the Slovak National Party leader saying Roma gypsies should be dealt with with "a long stick in a small yard"?
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FannyFifer Thu 24-Feb-11 13:43:26
Are any UKIP candidates standing in the Scottish Parliament Elections in May?
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LadyBlaBlah Thu 24-Feb-11 13:43:46
Farage is a man of course who like a bit of sexy politics - in 2004 he 'found himself' in a lap-dancing bar during the French presidential campaign with one of the candidates. All in good fun, you know. confused
It's so weird why UKIP doesn't have many female followers. I just don't understand it hmm
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:43:49
elatedad
Question to Mr Farage: Can you please list your 3 greatest achievements so far in your work as an MEP, and indicate those concrete goals you intend to fulfil in the name of your constituents by the end of your MEP mandate in 2014?
I don't propose one culture for all, but I do think we need to be clear about the kind of country that we want to live in, which must mean equality before the law for everybody, respect for our legal system, and no special exemptions for anybody.
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fathercandle Thu 24-Feb-11 13:44:42
To continue my self-appointed role as Farage Mythbuster ... If anyone is considering believing this falsehood here:
that there are many scientists who hold opposing, or rather more skeptical views. The point is that over the last decade, they haven't always had a fair hearing.
From wikipedia:
"No scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_changehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S…nge
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Seriously, when the Petrol Digger's Union starts believing in man-made climate change, it's time to reconsider your opinion.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:45:22
Psammead
Why is the Euro such a bad thing? It would bring more tourists to the UK from Europe due to the ease of not having to change money. It would make so many things easier. And it is strong and stable. What are your arguments against it?
You sound like Lord Heseltine on Question Time last week. This is an idea that was popular amongst some ten years ago, thank goodness that unlike Ireland, we didn't join the Euro, kept control of our own interest rates, and have had a competitive devaluation in the Pound.
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 13:45:33
So it's ok to sit with racist parties in the European Parliament because 'In the European Parliament, all groups are strange, different cultural coalitions.' hmm
Notice that my other question still hasn't been answered. Even though I've asked it four times now.
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 13:45:48
I like how easily some of these users can be persuaded by accusing NF of supporting something emotionally provocative like rape. He wasn't. The same goes for sexism and racism. He's not, it's a childish foot stamping tactic used by foot faces who hate him for no apparent reason other than that they think calling someone a little racist automatically puts them in a higher moral position or makes them clever.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:46:07
FannyFifer
Are any UKIP candidates standing in the Scottish Parliament Elections in May?
Yes, we're standing in Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and over a thousand council seats in England. We've also got our fingers crossed for a good result in the Barnsley by-elections next Thursday.
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LadyBlaBlah Thu 24-Feb-11 13:46:56
"which must mean equality before the law for everybody,"
That is everyone who is male and white, of course.
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 13:47:16
Nigel:
To quote the policy section of the ukip website:
UKIP opposes multiculturalism and political correctness and promotes uniculturalism, a single British culture embracing all races, religions and colours.
What exactly is this singular British culture? And who decides?
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:47:22
fathercandle
You state:
However, it is little known that IPCC was established to prove climate change
Can you back up this assertion? Or provide any evidence to contradict their stated aims and objectives?
Item 2, from the IPCC principles in 1998 is key to answering this question.
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Psammead Thu 24-Feb-11 13:47:22
Exactly, ten years on, and the Euro is still strong! That's hardly an argument against it.
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 13:47:45
Nigel, is the OLAF investigation into corruption and fraud of the Ind/Dem group (including UKIP members) still ongoing?
What comments would you make on the frequency with which members of your party are accused and charged of corruption, fraud and money-laundering?
(I'm thinking of the Ashford Call Centre diversion of funds to your party, the £80,000 illegal donations. UKIP breaking electoral law and being investigated by ELCOM. And the fibs you as a party have told to cover this)
Also:
Of the 12 UKIP MEPs elected in 2004, one was sent to prison, one has been charged with false accounting and money laundering, two have had to pay back misclaimed money and three have faced investigations by the EU fraud-buster OLAF. In addition only one UKIP MEP has been prepared to publish all his expenses details.'
These are just a couple of examples I've plucked at random but it's quite a pattern, isn't it?
Do you still think UKIP is a political party that is fit for office?
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Susiewho Thu 24-Feb-11 13:47:49
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 13:48:41
Rinseoff: nigel's here now. He can speak for himself.
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CaptainNancy Thu 24-Feb-11 13:48:54
Rinse- what is a 'foot face' please? Sorry- you aren't doing Mr Farage any favours btw. Calling people footstampers doesn't put you in a higher moral position or make you clever.
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Thu 24-Feb-11 13:49:02
I think Nigel heard this old joke and thought it was sound enough to base his policies on:
"Heaven: the policeman is British, the lover is Italian, the cook is French, the engineer is German and it is all organized by the Swiss.
Hell: the policeman is German, the lover is Swiss, the cook is British, the engineer is French and it is all organized by the Italians."
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 13:49:02
Could you also please let us know how many of your party have accepted EU farm subsidies please?
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MmeLindt Thu 24-Feb-11 13:49:05
Nigel
You are leaving out the little detail that the Swiss cannot afford to live in Switzerland. Where I live, near Geneva, most Swiss have to move over the border into (EU) France as they cannot afford the house prices in CH.
Do you know many people who would be able to pay £3500 a month for the rent of a three bedroom house?
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CaptainNancy Thu 24-Feb-11 13:49:16
X-posts Damsel grin
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 13:49:20
Right, fifth and final time. And bearing in mind that this is based on one of your policies, fairly high up in your manifesto.
How you propose to go about promoting 'one culture for all' and who decides what that culture will be?
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:49:21
TanteRose
LadyBlaBlah yes, re: Alan B'stard - here by Camilla Long in the Times last March (third paragraph down
In that article, Camilla Long made a joke of the fact that I've had testicular cancer. Can you imagine anyone writing about a woman in the same way? Let's have equality for all.
It's the only article I've ever read about myself that's shocked me.
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LadyBlaBlah Thu 24-Feb-11 13:49:37
Yes, rinseoffmycustard, what a fine reasoned argument you put before us. Of course it is fine to joke about rape. Totally fine. What was I thinking? I must have come over all unnecessary.
You are a fine example of a UKIP follower though, so hang out and give us a laugh
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jonicomelately Thu 24-Feb-11 13:49:40
Rinseoffmycustard.
For the record. I don' hate Nigel Farage. I think he's a nice bloke. His politics however stink smile
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GeekLove Thu 24-Feb-11 13:49:50
Dear Nigel,
I believe that we do need to find out who works in this county illegally, but how would your party go about tackling the reasons as to WHY there are at least half a million illegal immigrants working in this county?
This figure suggest that if they were all to leave home now then the economy would collapse as many of them do dangerous and/or low paid but essential work just to survive.
Clearly many of the major supermarket chains for instance would be crippled without a ready pool of cheap disposable labour, not to mention the care and service industries.
SO how would you approach these industries such that it is no longer cost effective to employ underpaid and 'cash in hand' labour?
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FannyFifer Thu 24-Feb-11 13:50:26
On the maternity leave issue, loving this one from UKIP MEP in 2004.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3912205.stm
^Godfrey Bloom was given a seat on the European Parliament's women's rights committee on Tuesday.
But he told the media: "No self-respecting small businessman with a brain in the right place would ever employ a lady of child-bearing age."^
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 13:50:49
Another MNer who wants Nigel to answer:
Is there any chance at all you'll get to my question posted on Wed 23-Feb-11 14:21:01 please?
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:50:50
DamselInDisguise
Nigel:
To quote the policy section of the ukip website:
UKIP opposes multiculturalism and political correctness and promotes uniculturalism, a single British culture embracing all races, religions and colours.
What exactly is this singular British culture? And who decides?
On the subject of a single British culture, this is something that was quoted in a UKIP manifesto/policy document last year, and which I think was pretty unhelpful.
Hands up, we got it wrong.
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DollyTwat Thu 24-Feb-11 13:51:08
please answer cakewakey's questions, we all want to know
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LadyBlaBlah Thu 24-Feb-11 13:51:53
"Can you imagine anyone writing about a woman in the same way?"
Are you actually serious with that comment???
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HHLimbo Thu 24-Feb-11 13:52:05
"My primary objection is the loss of democracy and loss of the ability to determine our future through the ballot box. Cost is not the primary objection."
How can you say this when you are an elected Member of the European Parliament, just like our elected MPs in the UK parliament?!
You dont make sense!
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Susiewho Thu 24-Feb-11 13:52:29
So Italian politics is "Sexier"? Is it all that fascism and alleged sex with teenage prostitutes, Nigel?
I'm not Susiewho, I'm her friend who once, for some unknown reason contemplated voting UKIP. After reading this webchat, I certainly won't be doing that!
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 13:52:40
If the policy is, as you seem to admit, indefensible, why is it still there in the 'main policies' section of your website?
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fathercandle Thu 24-Feb-11 13:53:17
Thank you for answering, re the IPCC.
Principle 2 states:
2. The role of the IPCC is to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant to understanding the scientific basis of risk of human-induced climate change, its potential impacts and options for adaptation and mitigation.
I fail to see a pro-climate change conspiracy in this Principle. However, now that you've highlighted it, maybe others can shed light on which words the conspiracy is hiding between.
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DillyDaydreaming Thu 24-Feb-11 13:53:19
Even someof the Swiss cannt afford tolive in Switzerland - my ant and Uncle (Uncle is Swiss) lived and worked in Switzerland all their working lives - come retirement there was nothing for them an they....er....retired o the UK (my aunt being ritish and all). My aun has now died and my Uncle remains here seeing his friends and relatives - oh and using the NHS.
He could do none of that in Switzerland
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 13:53:22
If the single British Culture policy is pretty unhelpful why is it still on your website Mr Farage? I agree with you your party did get it wrong. Surely you and your members can see that it's statements like that which cause people to shun your party. When will you be revoking it?
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FannyFifer Thu 24-Feb-11 13:53:29
That Camilla Long article is pretty disgusting, am pretty shocked re her comments about your health issue Nigel, I hope you made a complaint, not a joking matter.
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VenetiaLanyon Thu 24-Feb-11 13:53:35
So if that is no longer your plicy, what is?
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Thu 24-Feb-11 13:53:43
"Can you imagine anyone writing about a woman in the same way?" Um...like rape jokes for example?
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 13:53:51
xposts Damsel wink
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DollyTwat Thu 24-Feb-11 13:53:51
are there any other main policies that you'd like to retract?
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:54:16
HHLimbo
"My primary objection is the loss of democracy and loss of the ability to determine our future through the ballot box. Cost is not the primary objection."
How can you say this when you are an elected Member of the European Parliament, just like our elected MPs in the UK parliament?!
You dont make sense!
Alex Salmond sat in the Westminster parliament for 20 years wishing Scotland to leave the United Kingdom. My position in Brussels is exactly the same as that, and I make you this one promise that given the opportunity, I would be the turkey that votes for Christmas.
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LadyBlaBlah Thu 24-Feb-11 13:54:20
They do make nice cheese in Switzerland though. Maybe that swayed Nige
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glasnost Thu 24-Feb-11 13:54:59
Why was susiewho's post deleted. It simply stated her opinion that NF is jeremy kyle. (new rhyming slang for.............come on not difficult to figure out). He WAS saying italian politics is sexy with fascist alessandra mussolini in it and the PM's passion for underage prostitutes. Quite a vile comment really.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:55:22
VenetiaLanyon
Another one; would you describe yourself as a feminist?
Well, this question has got me stumped! I don't think I qualify, but I'm all for equality, but I suspect if I declared myself a member of the ranks of the feminists, there'd be considerable anger!
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DillyDaydreaming Thu 24-Feb-11 13:56:12
Actually Nigel - I may not agree with you on various issues but the article making a joke about your cancer is indeed not nice.
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 13:56:18
Could you also please explain why John West had was forced to report UKIP to Essex Police in his own words:
'after Nigel Farage - 'via a third party - refused my request for an internal investigation into the allegations that Jeffery Titford had misused his parliamentary allowances.'
He says that 'previous requests for an independent audit into the finances of UKIP’s MEPs were also refused. Also, it is interesting to note just how violent are the attacks on anyone who questions the validity of UKIP accounts.'
What's your take on this, Nigel?
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LadyBlaBlah Thu 24-Feb-11 13:56:21
LOL @ equality being different to feminism
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HHLimbo Thu 24-Feb-11 13:56:58
YOU were elected, therefore the EU is democratic. Or am I the one who doesnt understand the meaning of democracy?
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:57:08
GeekLove
Dear Nigel,
I believe that we do need to find out who works in this county illegally, but how would your party go about tackling the reasons as to WHY there are at least half a million illegal immigrants working in this county?
This figure suggest that if they were all to leave home now then the economy would collapse as many of them do dangerous and/or low paid but essential work just to survive.
Clearly many of the major supermarket chains for instance would be crippled without a ready pool of cheap disposable labour, not to mention the care and service industries.
SO how would you approach these industries such that it is no longer cost effective to employ underpaid and 'cash in hand' labour?
It is an absolute, fundamental issue for a nation that it should control its borders, and it should decide who comes to live, work and settle in the country. We abolished embarkation controls back in 1994. We've had a total open door to the whole of Eastern Europe since 2004 - I think this helps to explain the mess that we're in. However, I am all for a properly regulated work permit system for foreign labour.
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MmeLindt Thu 24-Feb-11 13:57:27
Could you answer CaptainNancy's question please.
A serious question then Mr Farage:
How do you expect your party to appeal to women ('us' mums tend to be women btw) when the former UKIP member and MEP Nikki Sinclaire won a sexual discrimination case against her former colleagues in the party in December 2010?
You expelled her from UKIP for her refusal to sit with the EDF group in the EU Parliament that UKIP has allied itself with, that has amongst its members MEPs representing extremist views. When Mike Nattrass MEP also left the EDF grouping, he did not have the UKIP whip removed - despite him branding you 'a spiv' and 'a control freak'. Why was this because he's male?
How do you defend the indefensible this standpoint?
Only 8% of UKIP MEPS are female- not exactly representative. None are from BME backgrounds either. And presumably (now) none are LBGT. As a Dulwich College alumnus, you are yet another public schoolboy trying to tell us how to think vote.
Oh, and if there's time... please tell us how you defend Godfrey Bloom MEP heckling the German MEP Martin Schulz with the words "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer" last November, pretty please?"
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Psammead Thu 24-Feb-11 13:57:35
If you belive in equality, why wouldn't you consider yourself a feminist? There is a certain 'us' and 'them' air to your answer which does jpnot suggest equality.
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Susiewho Thu 24-Feb-11 13:58:05
Thanks, Glasnost. HE mentioned Allessandra Mussolini (interestingly using "Il Duce" - very respectful, NF!). It's extremely offensive to judge Italian politics to be "Sexier" - why on earth would 'sexy' politics be a good thing anyway?? It's a very weird and creepy thing to say. Not well thought through at all.
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 13:58:19
Yes, please do answer Captain Nancy's question.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 13:58:41
FannyFifer
On the maternity leave issue, loving this one from UKIP MEP in 2004.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3912205.stm
^Godfrey Bloom was given a seat on the European Parliament's women's rights committee on Tuesday.
But he told the media: "No self-respecting small businessman with a brain in the right place would ever employ a lady of child-bearing age."^
Godfrey Bloom was 100% right, the view then seemed outrageous. It is now publicly supported by Lord Alan Sugar, and many businesswomen too. The point is that very small companies need breaks, need reliefs, from this kind of legislation and that young women are now being denied jobs with many of these firms.
The trouble with Godfrey is that it's not what he says, it's sometimes the way in which he says it.
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 13:58:58
Another vote for an answer to captain nancy's question.
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MmeLindt Thu 24-Feb-11 13:59:48
"I am all for a properly regulated work permit system for foreign labour."
Would that not just mean more bureaucracy, assuming we were to allow the same amount of workers do these jobs. Good luck finding Brits to do the work.
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 13:59:55
One UKIPer (Greg Lance-Watkins, fact fans... no friend of yours, clearly) also states:
You have NEVER published your accounts 'just some obfuscating outlines.'
Farage has NEVER accounted for the £2M he boasted of making.
Farage has NEVER published what happened to over 85% of the income of Ashford which he claimed was THE MOST profitable thing EUkip have ever done.
There is every reason to believe that Farage has been as dishonest about money as he was with 3 stories so far about Liga! £1/4M in Isle of Man deposited in ONE cheque +? Farage took no meaningful action against Tom Wise.
In the words of one of your fellow travellers:
'As for his Racist, anti Jewish links just look at the facts!'
Blimey, if a UKIPer says you're racist...
(Just posted this to make sure you know it's not just us 'lefties and LibDems' who think you shouldn't be touched with a bargepole)
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Susiewho Thu 24-Feb-11 13:59:58
This time it IS Susiewho (my friend typed the other comments).
After reading this, all of my thoughts about UKIP have been confirmed...and they're not good!
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LadyBlaBlah Thu 24-Feb-11 14:00:09
O M G
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 14:00:17
To those who are asking about my special needs policy, I don't think there's any easy answer to this. I do understand why the last Labour government went for the policy of inclusion, but all of these things have to be on a case-by-case basis and certainly in many of the rural parts of the UK, it is of course difficult to give as much access for special needs as the country would want to.
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claig Thu 24-Feb-11 14:00:44
'YOU were elected, therefore the EU is democratic. Or am I the one who doesnt understand the meaning of democracy?'
Mubarak was elected. So what?
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glasnost Thu 24-Feb-11 14:00:58
susiewho it's hardly well thought through to ally yourself with parties like the Slovak National Party and the Northern League - a representative of which advocates the EXTERMINATION of gypsy children. NF may like il duce as one of his European allies: Mario Borghezio is a fascist apologist.
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LadyBlaBlah Thu 24-Feb-11 14:01:15
Message deleted by Mumsnet.
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MmeLindt Thu 24-Feb-11 14:01:57
[jaw drops]
That has lost you the vote of every MNetter, Nige. Since most of us are of child bearing age.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 14:02:12
MmeLindt
Could you answer CaptainNancy's question please.
A serious question then Mr Farage:
How do you expect your party to appeal to women ('us' mums tend to be women btw) when the former UKIP member and MEP Nikki Sinclaire won a sexual discrimination case against her former colleagues in the party in December 2010?
You expelled her from UKIP for her refusal to sit with the EDF group in the EU Parliament that UKIP has allied itself with, that has amongst its members MEPs representing extremist views. When Mike Nattrass MEP also left the EDF grouping, he did not have the UKIP whip removed - despite him branding you 'a spiv' and 'a control freak'. Why was this because he's male?
How do you defend the indefensible this standpoint?
Only 8% of UKIP MEPS are female- not exactly representative. None are from BME backgrounds either. And presumably (now) none are LBGT. As a Dulwich College alumnus, you are yet another public schoolboy trying to tell us how to think vote.
Oh, and if there's time... please tell us how you defend Godfrey Bloom MEP heckling the German MEP Martin Schulz with the words "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer" last November, pretty please?"
There is a court case on Monday, but I utterly reject Sinclaire's claims. I was very disappointed to discover that Sinclaire had been made bankrupt in 2005 and not informed the party. She should not even have been a candidate for the party, let alone elected as an MEP.
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 14:02:16
Oh, and your friend and mine, John West says the following allegations have also been completely ignored by you, Nigel:
'He refuses to reveal publish his own full EU expenses or allowances, whilst condemning MP's for their greed.
He refuses to answer concerns about financial misappropriation and widespread corruption within his own Party.
He employs his wife despite promising not to do so when first elected as an MEP.
He boldly condemns the BNP but surrounds himself with extremists in UKIP's EFD Group. (Some friends you've got there, Nige...)
He refuses to publish the full accounts for UKIP’s former Ashford call centre.
And nor will he answer concerns over the hundreds of thousands of pounds taken from UKIP's South East regional account, laughingly described by him as 'other expenses'.
xxxxxxxxx
Fancy popping back later to clear that little lot up for us, do you?
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Thu 24-Feb-11 14:02:38
Who are the many businesswomen who would never employ a lady of childbearing age (so all women 16-50)? Names please.
DH runs an SME - employs around 70 people - mostly young, male and female. If he refused to employ 50% of them then he would miss out on a huge amount of talent, skills, dedication and productivity. He emphatically disagrees with Godfrey Bloom's contention.
I come from an industry (marketing) which is almost entirely populated by women of child-bearing age. I would like to take one of those women and compare how much they've contributed to their company's bottom line and UK growth with that of Godfrey Bloom.
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NigelFarage Thu 24-Feb-11 14:03:07
I hope I've answered almost all your questions, I have tried to, happy to have others forwarded on to me. It's been hard work for the hour, but I've enjoyed working with the wonderful team here at Mumsnet.
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 14:03:21
Could you answer CaptainNancy's question please.
Please tell us how you defend Godfrey Bloom MEP heckling the German MEP Martin Schulz with the words "Ein Volk, ein Reich
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 14:03:23
I agree. Great PR agreeing that its ok to consider women of childbearing age employable. Way to go Nigel.
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 14:04:09
Ruddy hell:
Please tell us how you defend Godfrey Bloom MEP heckling the German MEP Martin Schulz with the words "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer" last November?
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CaptainNancy Thu 24-Feb-11 14:04:12
"The trouble with Godfrey is that it's not what he says, it's sometimes the way in which he says it."
So "ein volk, ein reich, ein fuhrer" was fine ????? shock
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 14:04:21
LOL at everyone on here. Instead of accusing him of baseless extreme problems why don't you ask about things that matter, like your children's future?
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MmeLindt Thu 24-Feb-11 14:04:40
Talk about misjudging your audience!
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Crumblemum Thu 24-Feb-11 14:04:49
Ummm not sure about the support for your views there Nigel. Someone should tweet Lord Sugar, see if he agrees!
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CaptainNancy Thu 24-Feb-11 14:04:56
Mr Farage- YOU HAVE BEEN Mumsnetted
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LadyBlaBlah Thu 24-Feb-11 14:05:02
This has to go down as the most achingly disastrous webchat of all time.
Can someone tweet Alan Sugar and see if he agrees with never employing a woman of child bearing age?
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 14:05:03
Cakeywakey: he's not going to answer it because it is indefensible.
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 14:05:04
Justine, please would you forward on any of the other questions that weren't answered, especially the footnote of Captain Nancy's?
A little more rope wouldn't hurt hmm
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 14:05:09
NIGEL YOU HAVE ANSWERED THE WRONG QUESTION - YOU KNOW THE ONE WE WANT ANSWERED:
Was it acceptable for Godfrey Bloom to interrupt Schulz and said "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer"?
Don't think we don't know what you've done there ....
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FannyFifer Thu 24-Feb-11 14:05:57
Thanks Nigel, it has been enlightening. grin
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CaptainNancy Thu 24-Feb-11 14:06:03
Yes rinse- Children we won't be able to have if SME businesses are allowed to ditch SMP and mat leave rights! hmm
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 14:06:10
Rinseoff: do run along dear. Stuff like this matters for our children's futures.
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Psammead Thu 24-Feb-11 14:06:21
That went well.
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 14:06:23
So because Alan Sugar also holds a crappy point of view, makes it ok to discriminate against women who might have children in the workplace? Wow. Seriously.
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 14:06:47
Sorry for the caps lock and bold 'shouting' but you'd think the pusillanimous little weasel would at least have the integrity answer that one, wouldn't you?
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HHLimbo Thu 24-Feb-11 14:07:24
"should not even have been a candidate for the party, let alone elected as an MEP."
Its now clear that this applies to more than one UKIP MEP! grin
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LadyBlaBlah Thu 24-Feb-11 14:08:25
I am quite gobsmacked
But also PMSL @ what Justine and co will be saying to him. "yes, that went, erm, well". Silence. "Great". "Anyway, thanks again".
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 14:08:36
I really don't think alan sugar should held up as an example of all that is good and right thinking in the world really.
I thought this went wonderfully. The ukip members came along and did their best to embarrass Nigel and then he came along and chewed his feet for and hour.
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 14:08:39
How long before the 'one culture' policy is taken down do you think?
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CaptainNancy Thu 24-Feb-11 14:08:48
Yes- Godfrey Bloom has also been accused by Nikki Sinclaire of calling her 'queer'- I'm sure it was just the way he said it...
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DorisIsAPinkDragon Thu 24-Feb-11 14:09:29
words fail me!
Sutpendously failed to identify with the target audience (but then I supoose we're (mostly) not white men like himself!)
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 14:09:42
'Godfrey Bloom was 100% right'
'The trouble with Godfrey is that it's not what he says, it's sometimes the way in which he says it.'
So that's a yes, then, is it, Nigel to 'Ein Volk'?
Can we have an answer on this from him, please MN? He's said he's happy to answer it hmm
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DollyTwat Thu 24-Feb-11 14:09:52
that went as could be expected then!
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MmeLindt Thu 24-Feb-11 14:10:04
Have tweeted Lord Sugar.
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 14:10:24
They're probably working on taking that one down as we type. Although, the ukip members will almost certainly be devastsated, they were quite keen on uniculture.
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CaptainNancy Thu 24-Feb-11 14:10:25
But MNHQ said he asked to come on... surely he knew what webchats were like?
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Thu 24-Feb-11 14:11:21
Off the top of my head women of childbearing age who are such a burden to UK businesses:
Karren Brady
Nicola Horlick
Karen Millen
Emma Bridgewater
Cath Kidston
Christian Rucker
Rebecca Wade
Sam Roddick
JK Rowling (yes a writer but she created a billion pound industry)
Elizabeth Murdoch
Clearly british SMEs would be SO MUCH better off without the above.
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FannyFifer Thu 24-Feb-11 14:12:07
So what was his favourite biscuit then??????
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 14:13:08
CptN. I think he wad arrogant enough to believe that he would be fine.
That said, he's presumably delighted ukip supporters, who've added MN to the list of 'marxist-leftist' conspirators against whom they rail.
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HHLimbo Thu 24-Feb-11 14:13:48
^"Godfrey Bloom was given a seat on the European Parliament's women's rights committee on Tuesday.
But he told the media: "No self-respecting small businessman with a brain in the right place would ever employ a lady of child-bearing age."^
"Godfrey Bloom was 100% right"
shock he actually said this - on mumsnet!
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glasnost Thu 24-Feb-11 14:14:01
the glaring hypocrisy is quite literally breathtaking and the glib answer to UKIP's dodgy allies in EDF is indicative of how low his estimation of people's intelligence is. He must've thought he'd be coming on to patronise some fluffy mummies. And to call Italian politics sexy,colourful etc is quite vomit inducing. It's actually debauched and corrupt.
I was of an opinion that he was a misguided soul but now i know he's in utter bad faith.
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CaptainNancy Thu 24-Feb-11 14:14:59
Maybe his PA is dyslexic, and he actually asked to go on NM? wink
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HHLimbo Thu 24-Feb-11 14:15:51
Who elected this idiot!?
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 14:16:21
I think he'd've been torn to shreds even if he'd done a webchat on club penguin.
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CaptainNancy Thu 24-Feb-11 14:16:58
Damn- but this should have been done before the election.... could have halved those 900000 votes.
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HHLimbo Thu 24-Feb-11 14:17:24
Ah CaptN, he certainly came to the wrong place.
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CaptainNancy Thu 24-Feb-11 14:17:28
pmsl damsel... just LOL at that.
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 14:18:51
Would love to be a fly on the wall at MNHQ right now grin
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LadyBlaBlah Thu 24-Feb-11 14:18:56
PMSL @ Club Penguin
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 14:18:57
On the plus side, student journalists everywhere will be eager to interview him as they'll get to feel like paxman on newsnight. And by student journalists I do mean the ones writing for the infant school newsletter.
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LessNarkyPuffin Thu 24-Feb-11 14:19:03
Perhaps he and my FIL could meet up to exchange rape jokes. The visiting hours at the home are fairly flexible...
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carminaburana Thu 24-Feb-11 14:19:06
'Sexy' doesn't have to have a sexual meaning - sexy can also mean 'interesting' - ' let's make this sexy' is a term often used in advertising etc.
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 14:21:05
The scene in MNHQ will be farage considering his options and deciding that, yes, the club penguin crowd are likely to be tough, but the neopets lot might be a bit fluffier and easier to handle.
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DollyTwat Thu 24-Feb-11 14:21:28
ROAR! @ Damsel
Club Penguin
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LadyBlaBlah Thu 24-Feb-11 14:21:50
bad example of advertising there really carminaburana
When advertisers say "let's make it sexier", what do they generally do?
Have a little think
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 14:23:23
Whatever the semantics Carmina, I'd expect an elected politician to choose his words more carefully - particularly in relation to Italian politics at the moment.
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carminaburana Thu 24-Feb-11 14:24:59
Sexy can mean 'flamboyant'. - Italian politics is certainly colourful - that's what I'm sure was meant here
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 14:26:35
Think we'll have to agree to disagree Carmina. Whatever the meaning, it was inappropriate.
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dawntigga Thu 24-Feb-11 14:26:36
DID I'm a neopetter so I think he'd have issues even there.
GoesOffToHerMutantQuiggleTiggaxx
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LadyBlaBlah Thu 24-Feb-11 14:27:19
–adjective, sex·i·er, sex·i·est.
1.
concerned predominantly or excessively with sex; risqué: a sexy novel.
2.
sexually interesting or exciting; radiating sexuality: the sexiest professor on campus.
3.
excitingly appealing; glamorous: a sexy new car.
I think number 3 is closest to what you are trying to say. Close but no cigar, even with that meaning it's foul.
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CaptainNancy Thu 24-Feb-11 14:28:15
Blimey- just read the Camilla Long article... <> great link tanterose.
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LadyBlaBlah Thu 24-Feb-11 14:28:17
And we haven't even started on his answer about special needs..............
Jesus there is a whole thread just in that answer.
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Twit Thu 24-Feb-11 14:28:53
I'm not entirely sure that went well. Did we get any actual answers?
Thanks to everyone who took part, it has been most
entertaining
enlightening.
I have lurked throughout and from the 'fans' all the way through to the man himself - this thread has turned my vague misgivings into substance.
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 14:28:53
I know lots of the arguments on here are very emotionally provocative like accusations that he supports under-age prostitution etc. But seriously, look at it objectively like any open minded person should and you will realise that they are nothing more than childish pathetic foot stamping tactics. Research the EU and where it's going instead of picking away at UKIP if you are concerned about genuine problems like the type society your children will grow up into.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdHuRabSQDU
http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell#p/f/6/NjBJcbwGrXIhttp://www.youtube.com/user/pa…rXI
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Watch them.
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Lulumaam Thu 24-Feb-11 14:29:14
just read through all of this and words absolutely fail me
if it looks like a parochial, narrow minded , misogynist male then ,and talks like one and issues sound bites like one............
just foul , absolutely foul
repugnant, anti woman nonesense
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DottyDot Thu 24-Feb-11 14:30:43
biscuit
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LadyBlaBlah Thu 24-Feb-11 14:31:39
I'm not going to watch them
So there
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TanteRose Thu 24-Feb-11 14:31:43
I posted the article, because LadyBB wanted to know if he'd ever been likened to Alan B'stard....doncha love Google!
it was quite an acerbic article (I didn't know anything about Nigel, I am not in the UK..) but if he dishes it out, then he must learn to take it, eh?
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whomovedmychocolate Thu 24-Feb-11 14:32:32
Goodness me well he did an excellent job of persuading us to vote for any of the other parties on offer. What a shockingly bad webchat.
Child bearing age btw, for me started at nine and no doubt will not end till I'm 55 - so no-one better employ me angry
What an idiotic answer.
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 14:33:30
Well yes, dawntigga. But, I can imagine he'll think the neopetters will be an easy crowd.
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 14:33:41
LOL @ 'Yes- Godfrey Bloom has also been accused by Nikki Sinclaire of calling her 'queer'- I'm sure it was just the way he said it...
And glasnost, I couldn't agree more.
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HHLimbo Thu 24-Feb-11 14:34:34
My response to this thread: shock hmm angry
and confused
I suppose every village has its idiot, even the EU, Im just ashamed we sent him there.
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 14:35:33
Oh, rinseoff, the only one childishly stamping feet here seems to be you.
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 14:37:48
But I'm not the one making extreme and baseless accusations to try to make others feel victimised so they support me am I.
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MmeLindt Thu 24-Feb-11 14:37:51
ROAR at Club Penguin.
No answer from Alan Sugar yet, will let you know.
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Twit Thu 24-Feb-11 14:38:26
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Please don't talk to us like that. Foot stamping etc etc. You've done it all throughout this thread and it makes you seem like you think women are to be petted and pampered, but most definately kept in our place. After all, what
could
we
possibly
do we know?
I don't remember now whether you're here for the chat or here long term. If it is the latter I can't help thinking you should know better.
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 14:40:40
Rinse 'But seriously, look at it objectively like any open minded person should and you will realise that they are nothing more than childish pathetic foot stamping tactics.'
Look. We've been through this.
You keep telling us we're childish and foot-stamping.Without ever engaging with our well-supported arguments.
We've explained why we find this stereotyping and dismissal of our views offensive.
We have explained that we have informed, reasoned and factually-supported objections to you and your parties politics. Your repeated assertions that these objections are childish, foot-stomping etc do not convince us otherwise.
You are swilling out the last traces of credibility UKIP has on this thread. Do NF a favour and pop along back to the British Democracy Forum, there's a love.
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LessNarkyPuffin Thu 24-Feb-11 14:40:51
You're arguing with a poster whose sole history is this thread.
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CaptainNancy Thu 24-Feb-11 14:42:47
youknow rinse- maybe if you could actually post links people would have more chance of watching your propaganda. You've posted urls, and most people mn during the day on phones, so cannot c&p into a browser.
But you'd actually know that if you were a mner, wouldn't you?
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HHLimbo Thu 24-Feb-11 14:43:55
This whole thread provides a VERY GOOD REASON why we should all be very interested and GET INVOLVED in the EU elections.
Thank you Mumsnet!
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 14:44:01
But you haven't produced any evidence to him being racist or sexist and you are the one making the claim and failing to back it up, it's not that I wont have a sensible discussion with you.
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 14:45:13
Rinseoff, I don't understand why you've Pm'd me. I won't be answering it as I have no interest in engaging in a discussion with you.
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 14:45:21
Are you incapable of copying and pasting?
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GeekLove Thu 24-Feb-11 14:45:34
whilst I am grateful that NF answered my question I guess I should not been surprised that he didn't answer the main thrust that illegal labour is vital to certain sectors, rather that our borders are too open. Perhaps that might be due the fact that a lot of dodgy employers would not employ legit migrants/british citizens since the thought of employing people who know their rights makes their blood run cold (not to mention denting their profit margins).
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fathercandle Thu 24-Feb-11 14:46:25
Rinseoff, I'm pretty sure I've proven he's happy to say things that are demonstrably false, though.
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UnquietDad Thu 24-Feb-11 14:46:43
Can this go on the "Most popular" section entitled "Farage gets a barrage" ? Just a suggestion for free.
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 14:47:06
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdHuRabSQDU
It's not hard.
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 14:51:27
Rinse has been PMing me too.
you tube videos are not evidence, unless you're a media studies student writing an essay about the significance of lol cats in contemporary cultures.
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 14:53:35
Nice one, you don't like it therefore the source is wrong.
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 14:55:34
No, rinseoff, there is a hierarchy of sources of information. Unreviewed, user-generated content is not high in it.
There is loads of actual, rigorous, peer reviewed research about the EU out there.
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claig Thu 24-Feb-11 14:58:40
That video is nonsense. It implies that France is in the lead within Europe in placating Arab muslims. That is nonsense. Haven't you heard that Sarkozy banned the burka?
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DollyTwat Thu 24-Feb-11 14:58:52
Rinseoff even NF found you embarrassing
now that's saying something
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 15:02:15
I know, did you read when he wrote "I find Rinseoff embarrassing", classic wasn't it.
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 15:04:20
claig - that doesn't change the fact that paedophilia is now legally the same as homosexuality, and that is in Britain as well since our constitution is the Lisbon treaty.
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 15:07:30
Oh rinseoff, paedophillia is illegal, homosexuality is most definitely not. Please do check your facts.
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BarbaraSeville Thu 24-Feb-11 15:08:16
Eh? I think there is a village missing an idiot.
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DollyTwat Thu 24-Feb-11 15:08:29
who do you think he was referring to then?
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Psammead Thu 24-Feb-11 15:13:53
Rinseoff what does that actually mean? 'paedophilia is legally the same as homosexuality'
It's devoid of actual meaning. Fear mongering blah blah. In what way, legally, are they the same?
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 15:15:10
Rinseoff, you are a credit to your party. With electoral assets like you doing such sterling work here, NF's job has been made so much easier hasn't it? He must be delighted to have you as one of his number.
And now you've conflated paedophilia with homosexuality.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Rinseoff, the Bigot's Bigot...
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf Thu 24-Feb-11 15:17:42
Rinse "I know lots of the arguments on here are very emotionally provocative like accusations that he supports under-age prostitution etc."
Evidence or STFU!
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Psammead Thu 24-Feb-11 15:20:03
Really interested to know what you think your little soundbite means, rinseoff
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 15:20:23
Message deleted by Mumsnet.
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 15:21:27
p.s lol at you
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Psammead Thu 24-Feb-11 15:21:58
Oh. You don't know what it means. I guess you heard it from somewhere and thought it sounded a bit scary so now you just spout it at every opportunity.
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HHLimbo Thu 24-Feb-11 15:23:03
I agree with Barbara.
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elatedad Thu 24-Feb-11 15:25:15
Methinks my question was 100% sidestepped. Am I being unreasonable to think that this is because he has not achieved anything as an MEP, not even attempted to, and has no plans to do anything in the next 3 years either? Please rebuke me if I am too harsh.
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 15:26:15
Um, I do know what it means and I'm not sad enough to parrot things, thanks for the compliment though!
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 15:27:01
google it and see if you find any matches to any speech
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Psammead Thu 24-Feb-11 15:27:12
So... what does it mean? smile
In what way, legally, is paedophilia the same as homosexuality?
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cakeywakey Thu 24-Feb-11 15:27:33
'Despise the oestrogen out of you'. What a lovely woman-hating phrase for someone to use hmm
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CaptainNancy Thu 24-Feb-11 15:27:59
Godfrey, is that you?
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DollyTwat Thu 24-Feb-11 15:28:56
oh dear, Rinseoff, you're not winning many voters are you?
You do realise that was the purpose of this web chat don't you?
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 15:29:05
Ironically, rinseoff has repeatedly asked for evidence that he is sexist in PMs.
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 15:29:11
Psammead - have you watched the video or are you too stupid to understand it?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdHuRabSQDU
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Rinseoffmycustard Thu 24-Feb-11 15:30:34
Oh, because you were all open minded and eager weren't you, and I don't actually waste my votes on him anyway.
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HHLimbo Thu 24-Feb-11 15:31:18
Elated - yep, what a thoroughly useless idiot we have representing us. confused
Ok MNers, who is going to stand for MEP at the next elections?
The EU needs you! (ps should be fairly easy, as we have seen from this thread the standard is not high)
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NoSuchThingAsSociety Thu 24-Feb-11 15:34:15
I thought he did well - he has a lot of sensible things to say.
It's a shame so few people on here have neither the courage to move away from the herd nor the intellect to understand the issues at hand.
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CaptainNancy Thu 24-Feb-11 15:34:20
Plus £1m over 5 years in pay/allowances Mr Farage says!
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StewieGriffinsMom Thu 24-Feb-11 15:35:22
Excellent webchat. Farage did himself no favours and himself look patently ridiculous, ill-informed and lacking the basic facts to defend his position.
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Psammead Thu 24-Feb-11 15:35:33
Yes I have watched it. I understand that it is telling me that paedophilia is not explictly prohibited in one part of the treaty ( although it is in others) in order to placate muslims, because they all think paedophilia is fine. hmm
What I do not understand is how paedophilia is now legally the same as homosexuality, which was your statement. Evidentely they are not the same.
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CaptainNancy Thu 24-Feb-11 15:36:04
I didn't see any questions posed by you NoSuch- please do enlighten us about the issues at hand- I'll get my husband to explain it to me when he comes home this evening.
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Psammead Thu 24-Feb-11 15:36:31
Seems to me therefore that your soundbite goes against the spirit of the law as laid out by the Lisbon treaty and is being used to scare monger.
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 15:39:10
You're on half-term, aren't you Rinse?
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LadyBlaBlah Thu 24-Feb-11 15:40:51
Why are you PM'ing everyone Rinse off?
What will it take for you to understand that it is possible for someone to disagree with you.
This mansplaining is becoming too common on here.
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Psammead Thu 24-Feb-11 15:40:59
Meh. Time to stop giving Rinse anymore of the spotlight, I think. smile
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 15:41:12
NoSuchThing: yes, clearly the issues were all beyond us silly little women.
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Twit Thu 24-Feb-11 15:41:20
QUOTE 'I don't actually waste my votes on him anyway.'
So who do you vote for?
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It can't be UKIP, you've done such a marvellous job of alienating the very people Mr Farage wanted to speak to so much he invited himself over.
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You seem to be unable to accept that some people
women
might be just as, if not more able to argue constructively and show actual evidence to back themselves up. You are getting angry at being shown up by women. Therefore you resort to good old fashioned foot stamping. (Oh hang on...)
Saying our children will hate the oestrogen out of us is disgusting, no wonder Mr Farage was/is embarrassed by the likes of you.
At least that's what he said on here.
Anyway off you pop there's a dear.
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Twit Thu 24-Feb-11 15:48:01
Oh look another one telling us (to all intents and purposes) to get back to our mothering and homemaking and leave the clever stuff to the men.
Why don't you pop along with your friend dear?
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DamselInDisguise Thu 24-Feb-11 15:49:23
I thought I'd post the latest PM I got from rinseoff here, as he's obviously too scared to put it on the thread.
"I am sexist, but only if you're a grumpy closed minded old women like yourself, and lol if that actually offended you!"
Now please stop PMing me, rinseoff. This is the second time I've asked.
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 15:51:00
'It's a shame so few people on here have neither the courage to move away from the herd nor the intellect to understand the issues at hand..'
Sheesh. What is it with you UKIPers and your refusal to accept that women can come - independently - to factually-supported, substatiated, critical analyses of 'the issues at hand'?
Psst. Nosuch You do know that we still have the vote, don't you?
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 15:51:41
Ach. 'substantiated'. Obv.
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madamimadam Thu 24-Feb-11 15:57:03
MNHQ, is the PMing of people here really on?
I mean, it doesn't really look very good for UKIP that having got members to register for the webchat, got a prospective candidate on here, their press officer, non-UK voters etc that they are now resorting to PMing MNers.
It really does look like an attempt to bully and intimidate posters who haven't been won over by NF.
And could you please ask Nigel if this course of action is one that he is proud of?
Because to me, it looks like dirty tricks.
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HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 24-Feb-11 16:00:27
Hello. Anyone who's a Mumsnet member can PM another member.
But you can block PMs from individuals, if you like, by clicking the red 'Block' icon next to their name on a message to you.
And, if you are getting PMs that concern you in any way, please do report them to us.
We do not look kindly on people misusing our PM system.
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HHLimbo Thu 24-Feb-11 16:07:17
MNers, please look into standing as an MEP in the next EU elections
The EU needs you! (ps should be fairly easy, as we have seen from this thread the standard is not high)
"Plus £1m over 5 years in pay/allowances Mr Farage says!" - CaptNancy I am putting your name down!.
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