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Increasingly UKIP has no support or members of any gravitas, competence or integrity!!
Increasingly UKIP has no support or members of any gravitas, competence or integrity!!
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Here is his rather lame attempt to promote UKIP as some sort of relevance and my response:
Hi,
indeed were we a democracy - which we are no longer.
UKIP's progress has been nothing more than risible when you consider the fact that out of some 19,500 elected offices UKIP has had less than 30 people elected after 20 years and at a time when, as Nikki Sinclaire's You Gov. poll shows only 30% of the electorate would vote to remain in the EU 93% of the electorate would NOT vote for UKIP.
Effectively as a large surf came in UKIP were facing the wrong way squabbling over whose board it was and thenhaving stood on the board found itself in a pipeline totally sidelined and dumpped in a complete wipe out.
Just what has UKIP actually achieved that has moved UKIP one inch closer to Leave-The-EU?
You claim that incompetent or corrupt individuals can be found in any party - perhaps you would care to identify in percentage terms who you consider to be competent, honest, transparent, with vision, strategy, tactics or competence who has proved trustworthy within UKIP leadership team and its odious parasites and sycophants.
Can you name ANY?
I profoundly disagree with your fantasy summary and the apologia you glibly proffer - somewhat like America claim that their oldest tradition is their youth! UKIP is all too fast finding its only competence is its amateur ineptitude and its youth!
As you say the people can show their opprobrium for UKIP at the ballot box as they have so consistently done for 20 years - hence only a handful of elected people out of 19,500.
Little wonder so few in UKIP understand their abject failure - could that be deliberate and a part of the reason UKIP has NEVER had a training program yet squanders members' money on providing a chauffeur for Farage who has proudly boasted of making £Millions over and above the bribes/salary and expenses the tax payers already fund him by.
Perhaps you could locate his open and transparent accounts as promised in 1999 and at every subsequent election and the details of the professionalising he has so serially promised you can then highlight out of the many £Millions he has made what exact donations he has made to forward the aims of UKIP members to Leave-The-EU.
Perhaps you could show, relative to the over generous income and expenses received by MEPs a single one in UKIP who has made a contribution of any consequence to the party other than in self interest whereby it is often stated that 80% of the efforts of politicians and investment is expended on their own re-election. It is clearly true of UKIP.
Perhaps whilst checking you might explain why UKIP sees itself as being a part of a racist, anti Jewish, anti homosexual, corrupt and violent pro EU membership group in the EU containing members who have expressed support for Anders Breivik and Holocaust denial. The EFD comprises amongst its ranks the vile Italian racist group the Lega Nord whose members have openly advocated dressing homosexuals as rabbits and hunting and shooting them also advocated bombing boats with Africa refugees on.
You may have sufficient experience/knowledge of UKIP to recall the EFD was thrown out of UKIP's previous group as too vile for more honourable members to associate with, who rightly and honourably threatened to leave if lega Nord remained.
You may also be unaware that in an attempt to defend the indefensible UKIP leadership invented the excuse that they had not debarred Mike Nattrass nor Trevor Colman as UKIP MEPs when they prorogued themselves from the sordid EFD Group yet de-barred Nikki Sinclaire when she did - The dishonourable and dishonest de-barring based upon lies also invented the excuse that she has historically for a brief period been bankrupt - This is of course in breech of British Law as the case is spent.
However let us accept their duplicity in distortion of the law about which they seemingly have a very scant understanding with a long list of costly court cases that have found against them funded by the members!
IF it were acceptable to de-bar a member on the grounds of bankruptcy perhaps you can explain how exactly Neil Hamilton can be so proudly presented after 6 years as a member of UKIP as some sort of 'new out of the box' virgin and hope for the future.
I appreciate he has all the qualifications Farage seems to seek failure in the Tories, a seedy reputation and a sycophantic adulation of the hand he hopes will feed him but I assure you Farage can not credibly deny his awareness that Neil Hamilton was a bankrupt.
Small as this detail may seem when Neil Hamilton openly states at the conference that he expects to assume an MEP seat in The South West EU Region replacing no doubt Trevor Colman and to that end without due process he is PLACED as a committee member in Wiltshire. Also is promoted as a candidate for UKIP NEC.
Acting with integrity is clearly not within the remit of UKIP yet they aspire to both represent and govern!
The most important factor of this incredible hubris is not in the arrogance and hubris itself but clearly that it has utterly undermined any attempt at defence UKIP may pretend to if Nikki Sinclaire decides to progress her case to The High Courts where there is little or no doubt she would again win and UKIP would be faced not only with huge costs but with a potential for massive damages and loss of income claims by Nikki Sinclaire and subsequently by many of her staff!
In boasting of how well UKIP has done in ONLY 20 years perhaps you can now see that UKIP has taken great hope and potential and due to venal self interest have become a part of the problem with no obvious part in the solution particularly having done all they could to act as Judas Goats to damage the one successfull Petition for an In/Out EU Referendum which fortunately Nikki Sinclaire had the competence and determination to 'deliver' something which UKIP has patently failed to do to date having 'delivered' nothing of consequence towards the aim to Leave-The-EU.
After 20 years I am also looking forward to UKIP showing it has some vision adequate to provide a sound Exit & Survival Strategy for when these United Kingdoms Leave-The-EU - it seems UKIP will, on present track record have no part in the Leave-The-EU movement being members of an EU Reformist Group The EFD.
I look forward to your providing some facts rather than puerile and unsound spin.
Thanks,
Regards,
Greg_L-W.. .
Hi,
I was challenged on one of the various political Forums to which I contribute by an emisary of UKIP too embarrassed to use his own name, which I guess is hardly surprising in the light of the consistent failure to put forward any sort of convincing argument and having to constantly depend on spin and well more spin as obviously he is bereft of facts to call upon!
I disagree. For a young party of only 20 years, I believe UKIP have done great. Sure, it has its problems, but what party doesn't. Name one party, just one that you cannot find fault in one or more of its members. You can't. But the people can decide for themselves, and they can do it at the ballot box.
Hi,
indeed were we a democracy - which we are no longer.
UKIP's progress has been nothing more than risible when you consider the fact that out of some 19,500 elected offices UKIP has had less than 30 people elected after 20 years and at a time when, as Nikki Sinclaire's You Gov. poll shows only 30% of the electorate would vote to remain in the EU 93% of the electorate would NOT vote for UKIP.
Effectively as a large surf came in UKIP were facing the wrong way squabbling over whose board it was and thenhaving stood on the board found itself in a pipeline totally sidelined and dumpped in a complete wipe out.
Just what has UKIP actually achieved that has moved UKIP one inch closer to Leave-The-EU?
You claim that incompetent or corrupt individuals can be found in any party - perhaps you would care to identify in percentage terms who you consider to be competent, honest, transparent, with vision, strategy, tactics or competence who has proved trustworthy within UKIP leadership team and its odious parasites and sycophants.
Can you name ANY?
I profoundly disagree with your fantasy summary and the apologia you glibly proffer - somewhat like America claim that their oldest tradition is their youth! UKIP is all too fast finding its only competence is its amateur ineptitude and its youth!
As you say the people can show their opprobrium for UKIP at the ballot box as they have so consistently done for 20 years - hence only a handful of elected people out of 19,500.
Little wonder so few in UKIP understand their abject failure - could that be deliberate and a part of the reason UKIP has NEVER had a training program yet squanders members' money on providing a chauffeur for Farage who has proudly boasted of making £Millions over and above the bribes/salary and expenses the tax payers already fund him by.
Perhaps you could locate his open and transparent accounts as promised in 1999 and at every subsequent election and the details of the professionalising he has so serially promised you can then highlight out of the many £Millions he has made what exact donations he has made to forward the aims of UKIP members to Leave-The-EU.
Perhaps you could show, relative to the over generous income and expenses received by MEPs a single one in UKIP who has made a contribution of any consequence to the party other than in self interest whereby it is often stated that 80% of the efforts of politicians and investment is expended on their own re-election. It is clearly true of UKIP.
Perhaps whilst checking you might explain why UKIP sees itself as being a part of a racist, anti Jewish, anti homosexual, corrupt and violent pro EU membership group in the EU containing members who have expressed support for Anders Breivik and Holocaust denial. The EFD comprises amongst its ranks the vile Italian racist group the Lega Nord whose members have openly advocated dressing homosexuals as rabbits and hunting and shooting them also advocated bombing boats with Africa refugees on.
You may have sufficient experience/knowledge of UKIP to recall the EFD was thrown out of UKIP's previous group as too vile for more honourable members to associate with, who rightly and honourably threatened to leave if lega Nord remained.
You may also be unaware that in an attempt to defend the indefensible UKIP leadership invented the excuse that they had not debarred Mike Nattrass nor Trevor Colman as UKIP MEPs when they prorogued themselves from the sordid EFD Group yet de-barred Nikki Sinclaire when she did - The dishonourable and dishonest de-barring based upon lies also invented the excuse that she has historically for a brief period been bankrupt - This is of course in breech of British Law as the case is spent.
However let us accept their duplicity in distortion of the law about which they seemingly have a very scant understanding with a long list of costly court cases that have found against them funded by the members!
IF it were acceptable to de-bar a member on the grounds of bankruptcy perhaps you can explain how exactly Neil Hamilton can be so proudly presented after 6 years as a member of UKIP as some sort of 'new out of the box' virgin and hope for the future.
I appreciate he has all the qualifications Farage seems to seek failure in the Tories, a seedy reputation and a sycophantic adulation of the hand he hopes will feed him but I assure you Farage can not credibly deny his awareness that Neil Hamilton was a bankrupt.
Small as this detail may seem when Neil Hamilton openly states at the conference that he expects to assume an MEP seat in The South West EU Region replacing no doubt Trevor Colman and to that end without due process he is PLACED as a committee member in Wiltshire. Also is promoted as a candidate for UKIP NEC.
Acting with integrity is clearly not within the remit of UKIP yet they aspire to both represent and govern!
The most important factor of this incredible hubris is not in the arrogance and hubris itself but clearly that it has utterly undermined any attempt at defence UKIP may pretend to if Nikki Sinclaire decides to progress her case to The High Courts where there is little or no doubt she would again win and UKIP would be faced not only with huge costs but with a potential for massive damages and loss of income claims by Nikki Sinclaire and subsequently by many of her staff!
In boasting of how well UKIP has done in ONLY 20 years perhaps you can now see that UKIP has taken great hope and potential and due to venal self interest have become a part of the problem with no obvious part in the solution particularly having done all they could to act as Judas Goats to damage the one successfull Petition for an In/Out EU Referendum which fortunately Nikki Sinclaire had the competence and determination to 'deliver' something which UKIP has patently failed to do to date having 'delivered' nothing of consequence towards the aim to Leave-The-EU.
After 20 years I am also looking forward to UKIP showing it has some vision adequate to provide a sound Exit & Survival Strategy for when these United Kingdoms Leave-The-EU - it seems UKIP will, on present track record have no part in the Leave-The-EU movement being members of an EU Reformist Group The EFD.
I look forward to your providing some facts rather than puerile and unsound spin.
Thanks,
Regards,
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