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Thursday, 7 July 2011

#0581* - ex UKIP MEP Nikki SINCLAIRE & Trevor COLMAN on their Feet!

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~ex UKIP MEP Nikki SINCLAIRE Hard at work for her Constituents & the electorate!

& Trevor COLMAN MEP wasting his time distracted by UKIP internal squabbling!!

Well as Trevor Colman may make his case it is but a foolish EU engineered distraction UKIP's failed leadership was suckered by in greed!

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Hi,

looking through the video record I must say I found it quite impressive to note that without the membership of a group, which has always been portrayed as the only route to speaking time in The EU, Nikki Sinclaire a short time ago during this Strasbourg week has been posted up so many times by the EU on video!

I gather on one day alone she made 6 speeches in the EU Parliament in support of her constituents and her electorates desire to Leave-The-EU.

Nikki says Pan-European parties are a Duff idea

30 minutes ago

Nikki speaks out against discrimination of any kind

3 hours ago

Nikki speaks on inconsistent European Driving Laws

4 hours ago

Nikki questions Cathy Ashton on the EU's relationship with the Lebanon

5 hours ago

Nikki says Russia against the EU is like Liverpool vs Tranmere Rovers

23 hours ago

Nikki questions environmental budget rises in times of financial austerity

1 day ago

Nikki says no to EU inteference in Hungary

1 day ago

Nikki riles against EU democracy vanity project

3 days ag

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I also note that Trevor Colman has made a very good video which I put on the internet some time ago at: http://paneuparty.blogspot.com/2011/07/case-for-no-video-trevor-colman-mep-06.html

When you have finished watching Trevor Colman's video may I suggest you read the arguments both for and against membership of a Pan EU Political Party designed to bribe Politicians with public money (they come cheap, a printer or two & some well fabricated half baked lies from those working for The EU like Mick McGough).

You will find the EU's own documents admitting the aim of PEPPs is towards further integration and making it very clear that PEPP money CAN NOT BE SPENT on National or Party aims beyond promoting The EU.

PEPP money CAN NOT BE SPENT on Party Elections or patriotic Referendums!

It is interesting that at this time UKIP has been sidetracked into yet another internal debacle due to clear lack of ethics, morality or leadership.

It is often said that 80% of the energy dissipated by politicians is used seeking ways to get re-elected - How true that is of Farage's UKIP, where it is clear to the outsider far more energy is put into attacking members, supporters and elected members including MEPs who seek to attack our membership of The EU untramelled with the gutter trash gathered around the failed leadership to provide a dung heap from which the only permissible rooster may crow a backdrop of incompetence to make the weak and failed leader shine!

It seems all too clear that the further the distance from the so called leadership of UKIP the more its supporters get done whilst the core seeking their own enrichment clearly do very little to seek the right to Leave-the-EU.

At least there are now some honest MEPs who have broken away from the corrupt central leadership, its racism, self serving and self enriching squabbling, its childish stunts its membership of extremist groups etc. etc.

If only UKIP's so called leadership had or could establish gravitas not cheeky chappy chicken suits and demeaning insults. If only they put as much effort into doing their job and spreading the word as they do in attacking and abusing supporters, members and MEPs they have failed to convince, failed to drag into their gutter and failed to silence!

Had UKIP's failed leadership shown any signs of leadership they would not now be engaged in trying to stave off High Court Action, obtain money from The EU to pay their self inflicted legal bills, be engaged in a divisive & time consuming argument trying to sell the members on betrayal of Britain in return for money within a PEPP.

In 18 years where is the Exit & Survival strategy? Where is the Training? Where is the organisational structure? Where is the strategy? Where is the tactics? Where is are the briefing papers? Where is the Plan? Where is the cohesion? Where is the nurturing of supporters? Where is, in fact what is the vision?

There isn't even an intelligent, intelligible promotion structure, nor training of speakers - not even a news letter structure.

Even more catastrophic is the fact that there is no funding structure 2 Bookies and a demol;oition Millionaire in 10 years is NOT a funding structure - it is a crass incompetence endlessly putting the party at the whim of a single individual.

If this is the leadership idea of saving Britain then I submit it is time for a Palace coupe as clearly the leadership has been an abysmal amateur shambols!
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Wednesday, 29 June 2011

#0572* - Noted That Lies of Mick McGough are Officially Edited

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~Noted That Lies of Mick McGough are Officially Edited!!

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I note the lies and distortions presented so dishonestly by The Essex Oik and habitual liar Mick McGough have had to be edited out of the dishonest pro PEPP video seeking to con UKIP members into supporting his lies.

Nothing new there then!

Interestingly the PEPP presentation debate in Birmingham on Monday night led to a very clear rejection of Mick McGough's sales patter but it was almost amusing for the audience of around 60 to have the smug, arrogant and oleagenous Michael Greaves there trying and in his obvious incompetence almost succeeding to make even Mick McGough seem intelligent!

As Mick McGough has been proven to be a liar, a low life and completely untrustworthy in that not content with his childish attempts at bullying he has even leaked UKIP confidential material to try to seem important.

The extent of his sycophancy is understandable as his insecurity would lead him to cross the country for the opening of an envelope if he thought he would have an opportunmity to bore people with his mumbled and self congratulatory behaviour.

What astonishes me is that otherwise well meaning if somewhat meaningless organisations like The CIB are prepared to be associated with this egregious piece of filth.

Yet more astonishing is that The Freedom Association, debased as it is since the death of Norris McWhirter its founder, has felt it apposite to surrender its accounts to a treasurer with a track record of dishonesty, corruption and lies.

It is however good to see that Steve Allison did manage to force the pro PEPP group of scoundrels to remove the lies and distortions by Mick McGough from their video presentation.

It was interesting to note having blown any chance of being taken seriously ever again little John Ison sat furtively considering whose boots to lick next but with no opinion of his own - perhaps the police have finally got around to feeling his collar over the thefts from Nikki Sinclaire and the false accusations he made based it seems on 'ajustments' he deliberately made to the record and material he boasted of having stolen - No wonder little Guy Basnett would not publish his fantasies and the Times used allegedly more than any other word portraying Ison as untrustworthy - how right they were!

It is a tragedy that after 18 years in the political field that UKIP are unable to field anyone of probity and charisma to sell its views even internally manfully as Mike Smith tried, particularly in defence of the drab and tedious Trevor Colman - however much Mick Nattrass yodelled his support from the back ;-)

I think it is fair to say that UKIP would, without the efforts of Mike Nattrass' firplace chappy Derek Bennett, have probably not managed to raise an audience of more than a dozen or two but Derek's efforts did up the crowd somewhat.

Interestingly in direct opposition to Stuart Agnew who has openly stated he will consider joining a PEPP for his direct gain (no doubt under instruction from his masters The NFU) he has stated regardless of the vote he will join a PEPP (See Tavistock meeting video on CLICK HERE)

Under direct questioning when asked if the vote had any meaning and was it binding on the MEPs/Party as a closing question many will remember Steve Crowthers reply in which he gave assurances that it would be binding.

This may well prove to be Steve Crowther's swan song having laid his neck on the block and the details which came to me this afternoon are now published at CLICK HERE

Should anyone wish to read the rules for PEPPs they can be found at CLICK HERE

For Details of Pan EU Political Parties in The EU CLICK HERE

& for aggregation of articles & comments on PEPPs CLICK HERE

For details of One of The PEPPs Godfrey Bloom has joined CLICK HERE

For details of the vile extremist & racist Group Farage & UKIP are in CLICK HERE
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Saturday, 11 June 2011

#0544* - 04-Jun-2011 - FARAGE Exits To Avoid His Main UKIP 'U' Turn

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04-Jun-2011 - FARAGE Exits SURREY PEPP Hustings To Avoid His Main UKIP 'U' Turn!

Leopards may not change their spots but clearly Politicians are for sale!

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04-Jun-2011 - FARAGE Exits To Avoid His Main UKIP 'U' Turn

04-Jun-2011 - FARAGE Exits To Avoid His Main UKIP 'U' Turn

The Fuhrer flees

At the Surrey PEP hustings meeting on June 4th , Nigel Farage arrived early and appeared to be in fine spirits. However, Tim Congdon hinted to him, somewhat unwisely, that he was to confront him with his own words condemning Pan European Parties at the end of the debate. When Congdon read out Farage's statement threatening legal action against the European Parliament in 2004, Farage had fled the hall and could not be found.

Farage may be a coward, but he is lucky with his enemies. Congdon could have derailed Farage's plans by humiliating him publicly with his own words, but sadly he lacks the killer instinct, and Farage fled to fight another day.

Posted by Junius at 09:18

Here is the article Tim Congdon had found (probably on this blog!)
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For more FACTS, speeches, Background & Rules on the EU Aim to bribe politicians with OUR money to undermine National Politics with the huge bribes available for leaders of Pan EU Political Parties to help The EU grow its borders whilst it fails on every internal front and fails those enslaved in the Vassal States
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For FACTS & DETAILS of The Squalid Extremist Group UKIP are currently in

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For FACTS & DETAILS of the Pan EU Political Party the debauched drunkard Godfrey Bloom MEP has formed

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Sunday, 5 June 2011

#0529* - UKIP PEPP Debate Was Insultingly Amateur & Crassly Illinformed!

#0529* - UKIP PEPP Debate Was Insultingly Amateur & Crassly Illinformed!
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Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable!
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UKIP PEPP Debate Was Insultingly Amateur & Crassly Illinformed!

It was astonishing just how irresponsible such highly paid individuals can be!!

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PLEASE NOTE:

The vote on this issue will be circulated in Mid July in the in house comic - INDEPENDENCE NEWS which is used, on track record, for corrupt Farage propaganda but rarely appears on time with excuses usually being made based upon lack of funding (As with The NEC Elections of last February which still have not yet been held!)

The theory is that Ballot Papers will be distributed during July to all members and the completed those being returned by mid August will be counted as a part of the vote.

I have just watched the full debate of UKIP as chaired by Steve Crowther at The Tiverton Hotel which ended at 15:55hrs.

Protagonists:

Trevor Colman MEP - NO

Stuart Agnew MEP - YES

Stephanie Williams - YES

Mike Smith - NO

May I congratulate Mike Smith for having the integrity to thank Nikki Sinclaire, Mike Nattrass and Trevor colman for their sterling work in bringing the facts of The EU to the attention of both members and the public - having not lost sight of the reason they were elected.

I was amazed at the lack of facts, lack of information and emotive nature of the debate from both sides of the rather mumbled arguments, beyond the admonishment to read the Legislation for yourself - with which I do agree but it was unfortunate that the two sides were not adequately in command of their brief to respond with linkage in other than their set piece presentation section..

That Stuart Agnew clearly stated he did not care about the outcome of the democratic vote of the members he, like Godfrey Bloom would willingly betray the principles of Democracy in UKIP such as it is and if the vote was NO to PEPPs he personally would still join one!

Some will remember that I warned before his election that Stuart Agnew was untrustworthy, dishonest, corrupt and self interested. He colluded in corruption to be placed upon the list of candidates as one of Farage's placements based on Farage's comment 'He is as thick as sh*t but he's got money'.

No I never expected Stuart Agnew to act in an honourable or principled manner on ANY issue - a point soon highlighted by The Sunday Times and I understand still a subject of OLAF enquiry in terms of his boassted of fraud together with his equally dishonest and corrupt partner in fraud David Bannerman.

I presume Stuart Agnews puppet masters the NFU wish him to aid and assist their paymasters The EU by helping The EU in its greater goal to undermine National Politics by controlling Pan EU Political Parties via their bribes and purse strings to the MEP's overseas accounts and perks.

It was stunning to listen to these 4 protagonists waffling on with so little knowledge or understanding of either The EU, ethics, principles or even the rules as laid out by The EU for PEPPs which can be read in full if you CLICK HERE

They seemed not to have a clue what their own UKIP MEP was upto which speaks volumes of the loss of control when prostituted to The EU and funded as a Supra National Political Party - we are currently at the stage where UKIP Chairman and two UKIP MEPs haven't a clue what Godfrey Bloom is doing - just as they hadn't a clue that David Bannerman had gone on a jolly with the Tories to Taiwan!

To have SOME incling of what Godfrey Bloom is upto, although his web site has not been materially updated since last year! You may be will find this helps understand how he is subsuming himself into The EU when not copulating with prostitutes in the streets nor urinating in flower pots in Hotels CLICK HERE

As a starter to help the idiot Stuart Agnew Godfrey is NOT a member of something called The Alliance he is a member of The EUrope of Freedom and Democracy - a corrupt grouping harbouring and promoting Racism, violent anti homosexuality, anti Judaism, Holocaust denial and pro EU Membership seeking reform as is he Stuart Agnew also UKIP's remaining MEPs willing to jump when told to put money in Nigel Farage's pocket. Godfrey Bloom is also a member of The Pan EU Alliance for Freedom.

Both the utterly vile EFD Group and this other grubby little group are increasingly within the bounds of Pan EU Political Parties or PEPPs.

Rerhaps it would be an intelligent action on these 'larded' self serving individuals to read up a little on the subject and to that end they will find this of help: CLICK HERE.

What is UKIP doing that is of any real benefit towards getting these United Kingdoms out of The EU - as yet they have never had a single training course of consequence and it was clear from todays debate they sure to hell need one. It is all very well waffling about policies and Government WE NEED MORE POLITICIANS LIKE A HOLE IN THE HEAD - The only reason UKIP gets votes is the stance of Leave-The-EU and on that clear message and by exploiting (dishonestly) the difficulties of other Parties in DOMESTIC politics UKIP does well in EU elections - the results when OTHER POLICIES are considered are risible as shown by their abject failure at Westminster elections and even worse results at local level!

Clearly and sadly to genuine supporters like myself who seek solutions for our Country and NOT enrichment or agrandisement for ourselves, it is increasingly clear that UKIP is unfit for purpose IF the aim is to liberate these United Kingdoms from membership of the malign and damaging EUropean Union.

All too often the ONLY answer UKIP has to any view point that may challenge their income stream as individuals is abuse or more hirelings and praise singers to abuse those who are genuine Patriots seeking to Leave-The-EU.

To quote Steve Allison of Nigel Farage:

"I don't question HIS recollection of the incident or HIS interpretation of the story. I'm sure he is sincere in his beliefs. Similarly I don't question anyone's belief in an almighty God. I'm sure they are sincere in their beliefs. I don't share those beliefs but it doesn't make me right and them wrong or visa versa. However, I know that you and I will never agree on this because there is no god but Farage and Heaver is his prophet so there is no point discussing it further really is there?"

This rather sums up UKIP's ability to debate - the nerds and sycophants of Farage and the rest - for a partial list of The Rest CLICK HERE.You will note amongst them already UKIP has lost 2 Council seats from the meager few it obtained on 06-May-2011 and also the recent resignation in apparent disgust at being used and abused of an NEC Member!

Hardly surprising having just watched 2 hours of ill informed and crassly uninformative debate that would surely not pass muster in a responsible 6th. Form let alone as a 'presentation' debate by such highly funded rascals. Though I will say afternoon tea at The Tiverton Hotel was pleasant!

COMMENTS:

Michael Stone Great idea to show this live, hope it is not the last time. 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Ben Walker *waves back at Chairman* 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Julien Parrott Hello Steve! 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
OllyNeville @ Ivo in A PEP nigel would get even more speaking time 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Edward Burroughs Off topic, but why does UKIP fail to attract women? 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
OllyNeville We can use money for UKIP, think tank, EU elections, pr.omotion of UKIP policies 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Edward Burroughs If it takes the strain of the EU budget then that leaves more for fighting on the homefront 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
ivoweck Wwould this affect Nigel's 2 minute speeches in the EU parliment? 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
OllyNeville Hardly a long term committment, we can get out of it any time we want 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Edward Burroughs Why cant the party incorporate some get out clauses in the constituiton in case it turns out bad? 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Edward Burroughs Principles are all wella nd good, but money talks1 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
OllyNeville EU does this anyway, might as well get in there and take some of the money away from LibLabCon 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Jason Smith If we could get the money to use for UKIP I'd be all in, but we can't use it to help us 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
OllyNeville having a think tank, being able to promote our policies will help us in UK elections a huge amount 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
david050268 the public need to see we could run the country if given the chance 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Edward Burroughs Personally I cant see how this would detract from focusing on the UK, if there is no focus now 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
OllyNeville yes, UKIP need UK focus, if anything a PEP will help that 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
david050268 I agree the public need to see us as more than a one policy party and that we do have more policy's 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Matt Davies I'm tired of UKIP being seen as an EU protest group. Put the focus back on the UK and I'll vote yes. 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
OllyNeville Having a think tank, and extra funding for UKIP policies promotion can help us nationally so much 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Ben Walker I am now voting yes. UKIP needs to stand stronger - hence more money. 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Matt Davies Let UKIP MEPs do what they want, but then have UKIP UK make it's own decisions by a leader based here. 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Edward Burroughs Not if only MEPs join, surely? 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
OllyNeville If we arent in a PEP it wont focus us in the UK, being in a PEP may even help us be UK focus with xtra money 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Matt Davies It does Olly, because it keeps UKIP going down the route of being under the control of the EU focused side. 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Edward Burroughs Hi all: @ Matt, I dont see the PEP preventing further activity focused on the UK 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
OllyNeville @Matt that seems pretty sensible to me, need more UK focus, in or out of a PEP doesnt effect that 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Michael Stone Stuart Agnew is a very hard working MEP both in brussels and around the eastern counties 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Matt Davies I want to see some mechanism that will start UKIP being more UK focused. If not then I am voting NO 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
OllyNeville UKIP will not become a European wide party, UKIP is not joining the PEP only the MEPs 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Matt Davies Here is my deal. I will vote Yes, if a UKIP UK unit is formed and give autonomy to run itself, free of MEP 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
OllyNeville No side seem to be more emotive Yes seems more to have the arguments 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Noel Matthews @Matt I must be watching a different tream. The No side seems asleep here. 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Jason Smith For Agnew to say if the UKIP membership vote No then I'll still join, that's disgusting 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Ben Walker @Matt - that is an excellent idea! 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Noel Matthews Stuart Agnew seems the most coherent to me 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Matt Davies I'm not impressed with Agnew. Farage will be spitting feathers at his poor performance here. 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Jason Smith Agnew should go as a MEP 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
Matt Davies UKIP should split into two units under one umbrella. A UK focused unit and an EU sabotage group. 1 hour ago - Ignore - Delete
OllyNeville MEPs will do what they do regardless of being in a PEP but might as well have more money while they do it 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
OllyNeville We can use PEP money to fight EU elections for UKIP, so we dotn have to spend UKIP money on EU elections 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
OllyNeville @david we already take money from the EU, so do LibLabCon, public dont care about it, they care about policy 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
david050268 we are hypocrites we want out the Eu but we can take money from them when we want. It would lose us votes 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Julien Parrott This is a good question! 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
ivoweck UKIP would not do so well in UK elections if it wasn't for their MEPs 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Jason Smith @Olly - but PEP money can only be used for EU releated activity 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
david050268 @Olly this is my point that if the public see us taking money from the EU for party use then they will say .. 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
OllyNeville yes, UKIP pick the policies, think tank researches them and gives them credibility 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Matt Davies That's the problem though Olly. They won't focus on the UK while they are dancing to the EU's tune. 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
OllyNeville UKIP needs to focus almost soley on UK elections, no point wasting UKIP money on Eu elections, use PEP money 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Matt Davies It's not a gift horse Olly. There are huge costs to UKIP. Principe, integrity and credibility. 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Jason Smith @Olly - policies should be decided by our members, the people know what they want 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Matt Davies UKIP need to focus on UK policies without EU restrictions and simply say we would leave if asked how. 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
OllyNeville @jason a political party cant study the effect of policies, a think tank can and so give credibility 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
david050268 @ivo Totally agree 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
OllyNeville theres no good from looking a gift horse in the mouth, take the EUs money and help us win in UK elections 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
david050268 They don't trust it because they don't know enough about UKIP 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
ivoweck To win MP, UKIP needs to become more than a one-issue party. 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Matt Davies My view is UKIP's understandable obsession with the EU, turns voters off. They want a party that can run UK 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Jason Smith @Olly - we don't need a think tank, if we can't generate our own policies we don't deserve to be a party 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Matt Davies Noel, people know that. They don't vote UKIP though, because they don't trust it to run the country. 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
OllyNeville UKIP need to focus on domestic policies, having a think tank to help would be hugely useful 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Matt Davies Is a parasitical approach to defeating the EU the only way to beat it? If so, are UKIP any better than the re 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Ben Walker Off topic - but if UKIP wants to win MP's then it will have to do the Green party method - build a powerbase. 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Noel Matthews @Matt All UKIP need to say is that a vote for UKIP is a vote for EU withdrawal. No referendum needed 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Julien Parrott Democracy rules in UKIP we should not be apologising for this debate. 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
OllyNeville We need national focus, and if EU help can promote that national focus then take their money to crush themh 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
david050268 @Ben totally agree they don't need any more ammo to use against us 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Matt Davies Who thinks the current EU focussed approach will see UKIP win seats at Westminster in our lifetiem? 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Julien Parrott This is important because 60% of the membership has elected him leader 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Noel Matthews I think the public would fall asleep on the PEP issue - it's been hard enough to understand for activists 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Jason Smith Most MEPs and their staff are on the Yes camp, surprising that? :-) 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Matt Davies If UKIP have to be within the EU structures to make a difference, then why don't we all just join the Tories? 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Noel Matthews Farage is behind the Yes vote 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Jason Smith @Ben - agreed, the media would destroy UKIP and would we would lose public support 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
david050268 The Mep's represent UKIP in the EU while the UK are in the EU 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Alan Wood UKIP need to join an Alliance of anti-EU parties in UK, not Brussels. 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Julien Parrott Is either side presenting the official view of Nigel Farage? 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Matt Davies If UKIP can't win the political argument without the EU's condition attached coin. Then we are doomed. 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Noel Matthews Political parties prosper the greater the funding but not often on principle alone 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete
Jason Smith @Alan - agreed, in fact I believe MEPs will become more dependant on the EU 2 hours ago - Ignore - Delete